Is observation of the Sabbath day a requirement for Christians?

[BarneyFife]

because i believe Romans 16:17

Your manner of "turning away from" is puzzling.

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[Robert Gwin]

All of the laws are serious.
Your letter of the law attitude does not hold true. You believe you are to keep "from things strangled and from blood". How's that hamburger tasting?

You can dog somebody else and walk right over what you do. I just don't get it.

You are mistaken maam, Christians are allowed to eat meat. In fact because of similar concerns among us Paul openly stated: (1 Corinthians 10:25-29) 25 Eat whatever is sold in a meat market, making no inquiry because of your conscience, 26 for “to Jehovah belong the earth and everything in it.” 27 If an unbeliever invites you and you want to go, eat whatever is set before you, making no inquiry on account of your conscience. 28 But if anyone says to you, “This is something offered in sacrifice,” do not eat because of the one who told you and because of conscience. 29 I do not mean your own conscience, but that of the other person.. . .

 

[Robert Gwin]

No...confirmation of scripture is not "opinion", it is how "every word is established."

Scripture is not opinion for a fact Scott, interpretation is however. When you and I disagree on interpretation the fact is one or both of us is incorrect in what the passage really says, that is the simple truth sir.

 

[Phoneman777]

no.

etymology is origin of words

we are not talking about 'derivation of words' in Psalm 111 -- we are talking about completely different words, "precept" vs. "commandment"

this is not, a is derived from A
this is, A vs. B


you are a huge mess, phone-person.
a mess.

you have zero legitimate arguments, all your private interpretations have been openly refuted time after time after time after time,
but you are still just a mess.

a big, vain, slanderous mess.

transparently. a mess.
everyone sees it.
you aren't hidden; you're tolerated.

Jesus accused hypocrites of "teaching for doctrines the commandments of men" and quoted Isaiah 29, where the prophet said and the fear of the Lord "is taught by the precepts of men".

I'm amazed you so laser focus on what amounts to nothing, but refuse to acknowledge "SABBATIMOS" in Hebrews 4:9 KJV, which makes clear to everyone who is honest that it is the WEEKLY SABBATH REST that remains to the people of God to observe by resting from their daily work "as God did from His".

 

[Phoneman777]

never said that.
you're slandering again.

informed you with infallible proof that your private interpretation of Psalm 111 is completely unfounded and false.

it's "precepts" not commandments, and it decidedly is not declaring the decalogue isn't part of "the law"

for the 300th time, see Romans 7:7


it really is no surprise that other Christian forums, which unlike this one, don't abide heresy and constant unChristlike behaviour, ban you.

but keep telling yourself how cool you are.
as the proverbs say, give strong drink to the one who is perishing:
may you temporarily forget your depravity, and have a worthlessly momentary carnal similitude of peace, once a week

So, what other "precepts" did God carve out of solid rock and write with His own hands that "stand forever and ever"? When we abandon context, we're left only with pretext which is the foundation of all your false doctrines.

Whether "precept" or "commandments", it's referring to that which God made and wrote with His own hands and lasts eternally, understand? Haven't you learned by now that everytime you think you've cornered what you consider some little "truth" to refute my positions, I end up exposing it as impotent as the entire rest of your beliefs?

Remember your ridiculous argument that the "many" of Matthew 24:12 KJV whose agape turns cold and dead within them are "saints"?

You said, No, these "many" can be the wicked who are able to partake of agape in your futile attempt to save OSAS from death......then reversed your position when I showed you that agape is demonstrated by happily keeping God's commandments (1 John 5:3 KJV) but the wicked can't keep them even if they wanted to (Romans 8:7 KJV)?

Yes, you finally saw what a foolishly asinine argument that was, so you switched to agreeing with me that these "many" are indeed saints, but are "cold" is good enough to get us to heaven......

At which time I told you Jesus will spit "LUKEWARM" saints out of His mouth and "LUKEWARM" is a far less severe wretched spiritual condition than "cold".......

To which you had the audacity to argue that Jesus is fine with "cold" or "hot" just as long as we ain't "LUKEWARM".......which is the most ridiculous thing you've ever said to date because it means Jesus doesn't care if we're on HIS side of the fence or the OTHER side of the fence, just as long as we don't SIT ON THE FENCE...HAVE YOU RESPONDED TO THIS?

NO, YOU'VE RUN AWAY FROM YET ANOTHER DEFEAT, ONLY TO RETURN WITH YOUR SILLY "PRECEPTS VS. COMMANDMENTS" ARGUMENT TO "PROVE" THE TEN COMMANDMENTS AREN'T THE SUBJECT OF PSALMS 111:7-8 KJV.

A blind man can see the Mosaic Law is not eternal because it's no longer wrong to disregard Passover or circumcision, but "thou shalt have no other gods before Me" was, is, and always will be observed by the saints.

 

[Phoneman777]

never said that.
you're slandering again.

informed you with infallible proof that your private interpretation of Psalm 111 is completely unfounded and false.

it's "precepts" not commandments, and it decidedly is not declaring the decalogue isn't part of "the law"

for the 300th time, see Romans 7:7


it really is no surprise that other Christian forums, which unlike this one, don't abide heresy and constant unChristlike behaviour, ban you.

but keep telling yourself how cool you are.
as the proverbs say, give strong drink to the one who is perishing:
may you temporarily forget your depravity, and have a worthlessly momentary carnal similitude of peace, once a week

So, you DO agree with me the Ten Commandments remain for us to obey for all eternity? If so, my apologies, because you've been denying this all along.

 

[Phoneman777]

He was recently banned from a popular Christian forum that actually doesn't allow prolific false teaching,

In keeping with the true satanic spirit of Papal authority and their intolerance of the truth.

 

[ScottA]

Scripture is not opinion for a fact Scott, interpretation is however. When you and I disagree on interpretation the fact is one or both of us is incorrect in what the passage really says, that is the simple truth sir.

It is true that two opinions only accomplish disagreement. But the interpretation of scripture belongs to God:

Genesis 40:8
And they said to him, “We each have had a dream, and there is no interpreter of it.” So Joseph said to them, “Do not interpretations belong to God? Tell them to me, please.”

1 Corinthians 12:10
to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues.

1 Corinthians 14:26
How is it then, brethren? Whenever you come together, each of you has a psalm, has a teaching, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. Let all things be done for edification.
​

As I said, I have not been giving you my opinion.

 

[Phoneman777]

Mr cellphone

How about you just refer to me as "phoneman777" instead of "teledude" or "cellphone" or whatever else?

 

[Phoneman777]

My doctrine:

John 11:25-26
Jesus said to her, "I Am The Resurrection and The Life. The one who believes in Me will live, even though they die; and whoever lives by believing in Me will never die. Do you believe this?"

Which part of this are you calling 'deceptive' and why?

Please don't deflect - the issue to which I refer is your claim the wicked can partake of God's agape.

After being shown the Biblical evidence for why your claim isn't possible:

1 John 5:3 KJV says the "agape" of God is demonstrated by happily keeping His commandments, which the wicked can't keep even if they wanted to, according to Romans 8:7 KJV.
​

...you've yet to retract your heresy. Will you do so now and demonstrate Christian humility instead of satanic pride? Those "many" in Matthew 24:12 KJV are not the wicked, but are saints - saints who allow widespread iniquity to turn their agape cold and dead, leaving them - by contrast with the saint of verse 13 - unable to endure to the end, and not saved. OSAS dies the death it deserves right here, and all that remains is for the OSAS to give it a proper burial.

Grab a shovel.

 

[Jim B]

Please don't deflect - the issue to which I refer is your claim the wicked can partake of God's agape.

After being shown the Biblical evidence for why your claim isn't possible:

1 John 5:3 KJV says the "agape" of God is demonstrated by happily keeping His commandments, which the wicked can't keep even if they wanted to, according to Romans 8:7 KJV.
​

...you've yet to retract your heresy. Will you do so now and demonstrate Christian humility instead of satanic pride? Those "many" in Matthew 24:12 KJV are not the wicked, but are saints - saints who allow widespread iniquity to turn their agape cold and dead, leaving them - by contrast with the saint of verse 13 - unable to endure to the end, and not saved. OSAS dies the death it deserves right here, and all that remains is for the OSAS to give it a proper burial.

Grab a shovel.

The accusatory tone of your post clearly shows that you have no understanding of agape.

 

[Phoneman777]

The accusatory tone of your post clearly shows that you have no understanding of agape.

What accusation? There isn't any accusation in that post, only a recap of the facts and an appeal for retraction of another's heretical claim that the wicked can partake of agape.

Because that's how we show agape to one another, according to Leviticus 19:17 KJV: we rebuke others when they get themselves in trouble with the devil.

You, on the other hand, seem only interested in mudslinging, another favorite pastime of the devil. So, consider this some "agape" thrown your way: Repent now and avoid the rush at doomsday.

 

[Jim B]

What accusation? There isn't any accusation in that post, only a recap of the facts and an appeal for retraction of another's heretical claim that the wicked can partake of agape.

Because that's how we show agape to one another, according to Leviticus 19:17 KJV: we rebuke others when they get themselves in trouble with the devil.

You, on the other hand, seem only interested in mudslinging, another favorite pastime of the devil. So, consider this some "agape" thrown your way: Repent now and avoid the rush at doomsday.

It's obvious that you don't have the slightest idea what agape means.

In the New Testament, agape is the word used to describe the love that God has for humanity and the love humanity has for God. The word was borrowed from the Greek word for “charity” or the “love of a parent for a child.” In biblical texts originally written in Greek, the word agape is used to connote any kind of selfless love, whether between human beings or between humans and God.

Your definition of agape -- we rebuke others when they get themselves in trouble with the devil -- is clearly wrong.

 

[post]

This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you
(John 15:12)​

that's "love" - agapao not agape
"loved" - agapao not agape

anyone who thinks agape is fundamentally different from agapao ((other than one being a noun and the other a verb)) is simply making things up for the sake of their private doctrines.
scripture is clear: the commandment is agapao. if that does not equal agape, there is an obvious problem.

In that He says, “A new” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
(Hebrews 8:13)​

all the law is fulfilled in one word, in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
(Galatians 5:14)​

Leviticus 19:18 doesn't happen to be Exodus 20.
i encourage you all to do the math

 

[post]

Because that's how we show agape to one another, according to Leviticus 19:17

Leviticus 19:18 is agapao, not agape
a verb not a noun

deal with it

 

[post]

In keeping with the true satanic spirit of Papal authority and their intolerance of the truth.

just more slander, refusal to repent, ((paying attention @Cassandra?)) & disrespect for authority.

CC is renown for being decidedly anti-catholic.

 

[Enoch111]

I think we need a day of rest each week, so God told us to rest one day each week.

What most Christians have failed to grasp is that "the Lord's Day" is in fact the Christian Sabbath. So the fourth commandment is still applicable but to the first day of the week. The Ten Commandments have been incorporated into the Law of Christ.

 

[Bob Estey]

What most Christians have failed to grasp is that "the Lord's Day" is in fact the Christian Sabbath. So the fourth commandment is still applicable but to the first day of the week. The Ten Commandments have been incorporated into the Law of Christ.

I think some people consider the commandments - the law - to be their enemy, but it seems to me God gave us the commandments so we would know how to stay out of trouble.

 

[Phoneman777]

It's obvious that you don't have the slightest idea what agape means.

In the New Testament, agape is the word used to describe the love that God has for humanity and the love humanity has for God. The word was borrowed from the Greek word for “charity” or the “love of a parent for a child.” In biblical texts originally written in Greek, the word agape is used to connote any kind of selfless love, whether between human beings or between humans and God.

Your definition of agape -- we rebuke others when they get themselves in trouble with the devil -- is clearly wrong.

Blurring the lines between the Greek words for "love", are we? Y'all just keep making it up as you go, it seems.

1 John 5:3 KJV is plain that Christian "agape" is demonstrated when we "keep the commandments of God" and Romans 8:7 KJV is plain the wicked can't keep them even if they wanted to, understand?

Therefore, the "many" of Matthew 24:12 KJV whose "agape" turns cold and dead, leaving them unable to endure and lost...are SAINTS. So, grab a shovel and get busy helping Post give OSAS a proper burial.

 

[post]

Blurring the lines between the Greek words for "love", are we?

This is how we know that we love the children of God: by loving God and carrying out His commands.
(1 John 5:2)​

love = agapao, not agape
loving = agapao, not agape

verbs not nouns.

who is it blurring the lines of words and creating for themselves personal definitions to suit their private doctrines, hmm?
in order to accuse the children of God?
whose will is accusing the children of God, hmm?

does your bible only have verse 3, not verse 2 or 4? hmm?

KJV

huh?

what happened to your professed "George Lamsa Only-ism??"
different day, different doctrine, hmm?


so very interesting!