I was rather telling a different man to ignore your stirred up flesh.
The Sabbath was a Carnal Commandment, Now it is False Law
- Thread starter robert derrick
- Start date
-
Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
I was rather telling a different man to ignore your stirred up flesh.
Taken
Well-Known Member
Seems some believe victory means vitriol six days a week and rest on the seventh day from all their hard work.
No issue for me. Every day, Any place is worthy to Praise the Lord.
Blaspheme on, God intently and attentively hears you.
"There is no broader way to apostasy than to reject God’s sovereignty in all things concerning the Revelation of Himself and our obedience."
John Owen
Last edited:
BarneyFife
Well-Known Member
We can make ourselves feel like we're victorious, but all you availed was to think I ignored another man's stirred up flesh.
Aw, come on, GE. We're still pals, aren't we? I mean, after all, we went to two different schools together!
.
BarneyFife
Well-Known Member
I woke with a thought and the thought was “sweaty fear.”
That’s what happens when a man is about to really be blessed. He comes against harassment that is not in any way hidden but very out in the open, arrogant, childish, and a bit surreal, to the point where the man thinks, is this some kind of joke…? Satan knows he’s about to completely lose even any small hold or sway he has on the mans mind and emotions and he’s in a sweaty, panicked fear, having lost all guile and subtlety. I’ve seen this happen so many times that it’s unmistakable.
I’m rejoicing for you Barny!
One thing I marvel over is…how does he know what’s about to happen? Is it like when satan resisted what was coming to Daniel or is it something he has noted in the man himself that makes him know what is coming…??like, does he know before the man himself even knows? Yes, he does…otherwise, he would not be pitching such a childish fit and trying to use the flesh of others to get a rise out of the man…
That’s what happens when a man is about to really be blessed. He comes against harassment that is not in any way hidden but very out in the open, arrogant, childish, and a bit surreal, to the point where the man thinks, is this some kind of joke…? Satan knows he’s about to completely lose even any small hold or sway he has on the mans mind and emotions and he’s in a sweaty, panicked fear, having lost all guile and subtlety. I’ve seen this happen so many times that it’s unmistakable.
I’m rejoicing for you Barny!
One thing I marvel over is…how does he know what’s about to happen? Is it like when satan resisted what was coming to Daniel or is it something he has noted in the man himself that makes him know what is coming…??like, does he know before the man himself even knows? Yes, he does…otherwise, he would not be pitching such a childish fit and trying to use the flesh of others to get a rise out of the man…
Last edited:
BarneyFife
Well-Known Member
Just look at the number of young people who aren't students who do the same thing!
BarneyFife
Well-Known Member
I don't know about you, Sis. I thought it was me you were referring to as being nasty. Maybe you were, anyway.
Anyway, I'm rejoicing right back atcha!
One thing I don't understand:
To my understanding, the natural man is totally depraved. Were it not for the restraining power of the Spirit of God, we'd all be flaying each other, I think. Actually, we'd have never made it past Adam and Eve. Looking even further back, the justice aspect of God, if not tempered with the mercy aspect, would dictate that Lucifer would have expired upon having his very first vain imagination.
Understanding, of course, that we have this treasure in earthen vessels and that words like justice and mercy are really just linguistic corruptions of ideas and ideals that God must resort to penetrate our thick skulls and hardened hearts.
I'm not sure if I'm laying this out coherently, but:
You speak much of the inner and outer man, and I know and agree that it's a legitimate Pauline metaphor for the 'higher' and 'lower' powers. Higher being the inner man, so to speak, and so on.
But, before conviction, aren't the higher powers/inner man totally depraved as well as the lower/outer?
And, unless eternal security in the extreme sense is valid, doesn't the inner man struggle with a propensity toward total depravity, albeit less and less so, if he is advancing in wisdom and stature?
Because, sometimes you almost seem to depict the inner man as unstoppable in ever-increasing conformity to the image of God and godliness. I'm probably just making sure here that I understand the tendency to progress rather than decline to be the default attitude of your expression, as a rule. Would I be correct in that assumption, would you say?
Of course, we're speaking of the never-ending mystery, which is practically impossible for man to utter, a la 2 Corinthians 12:4, but nevertheless:
Is it possible, though, to give the "inner man" too much credit?
I know, after all, that that's the part that has to be changed. I also have heard a theory (and I tend to agree) that lust is not actually evil and that, in fact, lust is practically synonymous with the outer man and lower powers/passions, which are meant to keep us from starving to death, failing to be fruitful and multiply, etc., and therefore must be battered/disciplined and brought into subjection by the higher powers/inner man under the control of the Spirit.
Do you know what's missing here?
The Gospel.
Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly. For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die. But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
I know I've practically started a new thread here, but you seem to have that effect on people (lol), and I don't think RD or any of, for that matter, is getting much done here, anyway - lol.
Think I'll start a new thread: "The Gospel And The Inner And Outer Man."
No one is speaking against taking time off from work, nor of seeking spiritual rest in Christ.
It's the resting day of the Lord in Him everyday, not a commanded Sabbath.
The sanctification of the commanded Sabbath was bodily only for physical rest, including for the oxen and land.
This is true in that the law is spirtual and holy; however, the Lord's Sabbath was commanded entirely outwardly, at first as a test of obedience in the gathering and baking of manna, and then in the law of Moses as a day of physical rest, including the oxen and land.
The Sabbath did not become spiritual in practise until the death and resurrection of Jesus, where the inner man rests daily form his own dead works, whether they be sinful or his own righteousness.
The Sabbath foreshadowed only, and now is not named at all for the people of the Lord, except to not judge by it.
True. We are not impose our liberty upon the weaker conscience, and the babes are not to impose their weakness on the liberty of the grown in Christ.
Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?
And we are also free to rebuke them that make weakness into some sort of dominating strength, whether it be commanding sabbaths, certain baptisms, or added holiness standards to the flesh.
Sabbath commanders today are as commanding circumcision, and abstaining from meats.
This is what I like to see, rather than the mealy-mouthed dissimulators.
A commandment preached, but not judged by, is no commandment at all.
So, let's see if your stand is altogether honest:
There are those who teach it is acceptable to work on a sabbath day, if it is required as part of their career, such as in the military, police, or emergency response.
When they do so, their pay for that day goes to the offering plate.
Do you agree with this kind of sabbath, or not?
I think you are a hypocrite who just want excuses for your Sabbath hatred. But I may be wrong. And just may be others pay attention. So here is what I think you asked for...
A simple yes or no would do.
I liked with better when you spoke plainly.
I don't care about any himalaya pyramid power.
I don’t think the natural man is totally depraved. I think he’s a mix of good sometimes and bad sometimes. I think we have a built in restraint of conscience but it can become utterly seared if we ignore it or if we were raised very extremely abusively. Even our conscience can be wonked with and we be made to feel guilt we shouldn’t through adept manipulations and not feel guilt when we should.
We know BOTH good and evil. We’re a mixed up mess. Yes, the heart is wicked and self centered and without our conscience, there would be no restraint ever I guess. But we do see a mixture in most people. God says even of unbelievers, their conscience can tell them they’ve done good or bad.
Think I'll start a new thread: "The Gospel And The Inner And Outer Man."
Yes! Start the thread!
Similar threads
