Who is the Queen of Heaven.

[BreadOfLife]

So if I asked you if a person could be saved and enter heaven if they rejected Christ as their saviour, you would respond '''We are not in the "condemnig" business. We leave that up to GOD alone'''
hmmmmmmmmmm. I don't think so.
But its interesting, you are reluctant, on this subject to even state catholic doctrine as to what is and what is not catholic belief as to what you must believe to be saved and enter heaven. If I played along with you, I would have to wonder if you would be reluctant to share any catholic belief needed for a person to be saved and enter Heaven. I'm sure you wouldn't just this time, as the belief obviously opposes Jesus words.
Your Matt10:32&33 quote, and your warning to me concerning it is rather strange. I quote the plain words of Christ, and you give me a warning about a denial of Jesus. Your problem is, you follow the church rather than what the bible plainly states. I have nothing to fear at the judgement if I stand on the plain words of Christ when he walked this earth. If you think I do, then you are in a very bad place indseed.
BTW
I will expect you from now on to offer no opinions as to what catholic belief is, in regard to belief needed to be saved and inherit eternal life, for you say you cannot give that me in this instance as the catholic church is not in the condemning business.
See the trouble you get in when you put catholic doctrine against the plain words of Christ

I don’t condemn people’s souls – even if YOU do in your self-righteousness.
The Word of God is explicit about the fate those who reject Him – as I have amply shown you. The fact that you reject these warnings from God speaks VOLUMES.

A person who rejects Christ as their Savior can do so until their LAST breath and STILL be saved if they repent – even YOU.
I suggest you DO that . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

This is idiotiuc! You are indeed The Catholoic Church!

I get the SAME kind of response every time I expose an ignorant anti-Cathoic.

 

[stephen64]

I don’t condemn people’s souls – even if YOU do in your self-righteousness.
The Word of God is explicit about the fate those who reject Him – as I have amply shown you. The fact that you reject these warnings from God speaks VOLUMES.

A person who rejects Christ as their Savior can do so until their LAST breath and STILL be saved if they repent – even YOU.
I suggest you DO that . . .

You are a great testimony for a lack of confidence in rc teaching. You cannot even state what is needed to be saved/inherit eternal life when asked to do so in specific areas. You cannot get much more of a basic question that than can you. Dont discuss water baptism anymore as a need to receive salvation, you are not in the business of condemning anyone-right?

 

[theefaith]

As in "stuff"?

the immaculate conception of Mary!
And the miraculous conception of Jesus!

so much for your sola scripture!

 

[theefaith]

I see.

We assume the roles of the original 12 as we become "the new and improved doctrine of the Apostles"?

there are successors acts 1:26
Just as there were successors of Moses Matt 23:1

 

[theefaith]

The church of the apostles will be here when Christ returns

the successors of the apostles the elect will receive him Matt 24

 

[BreadOfLife]

Mary is a dead woman. There is nothing in the Bible that says she was or is a queen mother. Period. Nothing more needs to be said.

If you believe that Mary - or ANYBODY else in Heaven is "dead" - then your lack of faith in the promises of Christ is pathetic.

As for Mary being the Queen Mother - you can whine ALL you want - but I already pointed to Scripture to prove it. Here's some more . . .

Back in post #607, I showed that Mary is the Ark of the New Covenant - and NOBODY has been avle to provide a Scriptural refutation of these verses.
In the Book of Revelation, we see the New Ark of the Covenant in Heaven being spoken of at the very end of Chapter 11:
Rev. 11:19
Then God's temple in heaven was opened, and the ark of his covenant could be seen in the temple. There were flashes of lightning, rumblings, and peals of thunder, an earthquake, and a violent hailstorm.

The very next verse is in Chapter 12
Rev. 12:1-2
A great sign appeared in the sky, a WOMAN clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a CROWN of twelve stars.
She was with child and wailed aloud in pain as she labored to give birth.

Rev. 12:4
She gave birth to a son, a male child, destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod.

We know that this child is Jesus.

Ummmm, WHO gave birth to Jesus??
Answer: The SAME person who Scripture calls the new "Ark of the Covenant" (Rev. 11:19).
WHY is she wearing a crown?

There is simply NO getting around the fact that the Woman here in Revelation 12 is Mary.

 

[BreadOfLife]

For the umpteenth time, John had a vision while on Patmos. If you think what he saw as real, you are simply deluded (to put it gently).

And YOUR belief that what John saw was all just "fantasy" shows me jusy how ignorant YOU are of Scripture. There is not ONE credible Scripture scholar who believes this.

What John saw was the TRUTH being conveyed therough sumbols, types and prophecies.

 

[theefaith]

"Jesus Christ" works too.

how if the church baptizes all men (and infants) in the command of Matt 28:19?

Ephesians 5:24
Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ..

who’s words do not pass away

Why reject the words Jesus Christ?
Why reject the word of God?
All for the sake ago a 16th century novelty and heresy of “faith alone”!
Or cos of you’re rejection of the divinity of Christ And the holy trinity!


Faith and baptism!

Matt 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

Mk 16:16
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;

Jn 3:5
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God

Acts 8:36-38

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized?

37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God

Eph 4:5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism.

Faith and baptism!

Matthew 24:35
Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

2 Timothy 3:16
All scripture, inspired of God…

Scripture don’t say:

Jn 3:5 born by water and born again by the spirit?

But Jn 3:5 born again BY water AND the spirit!

Scripture don’t say:

Mk 16:16 he that believeth is saved and Should then be baptized?

But Mk 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved!

 

[BreadOfLife]

There is a Catholic canon and a Protestant canon. Your ignorance is showing again. Better say another prayer to dead Mary.

WRONG, Einstein.
I said:
"As a matter of fact - EVERY Protestant adheres to the Catholic Canon of the NT."

We adhere to the SAME New Testament Canon.
Had Luther and Calvin been successful - YOUR Protestant Bibles would have been a LOT thinner. They rejected Books like Hebrews, James, Jude and Revelation. Thank GOD that their contemporaries, like Philip Melanchton were able to talk them OUT of ejecting these Books.

Do your HOMEWOTK.

PS - Doi you know WHY you Protestants adhere to the OT Canon that you do??

 

[theefaith]

What is the name of the son per Matt 28:19, if thou canst tell?

Jn 15:5 remain in Christ!
Keep his commandment

matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

John 14:15
If ye love me, keep mycommandments.

 

[BreadOfLife]

You are a great testimony for a lack of confidence in rc teaching. You cannot even state what is needed to be saved/inherit eternal life when asked to do so in specific areas. You cannot get much more of a basic question that than can you. Dont discuss water baptism anymore as a need to receive salvation, you are not in the business of condemning anyone-right?

You can reject Christ, curse the Holy Spirit and murder your entire family - and it is STILL not my place to condemn your SOUL (Matt. 7:1-2) I can only condemn your ACTIONS - your FRUIT (Matt. 7:15-19).

Jesus warned about people like YOU who condemn the souls of others:
Matt. 7:2
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

I cannot condemn your soul - even though YOU have rejected Christ in this conversation.
I can only pray that you repent of this great sin.

 

[Jim B]

Don't blame me for being a “bully” for pointing out your idiotic use of words like "Popery " - when it is YOU who ignorantly brought a pea-shooter to a gunfight.

Post intelligently and you'll get an intelligent response.
However - when you regurgitate this kind of stupidity and you'll be put in your place . . .

These moronic sentences should be directed at you...

Post intelligently and you'll get an intelligent response.
However - when you regurgitate this kind of stupidity and you'll be put in your place . . .

Very unChristian behavior!

 

[stephen64]

You can reject Christ, curse the Holy Spirit and murder your entire family - and it is STILL not my place to condemn your SOUL (Matt. 7:1-2) I can only condemn your ACTIONS - your FRUIT (Matt. 7:15-19).

Jesus warned about people like YOU who condemn the souls of others:
Matt. 7:2
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

I cannot condemn your soul - even though YOU have rejected Christ in this conversation.
I can only pray that you repent of this great sin.

Remember, don't state anymore a person must be baptised in water to receive salvation, for you dont want to condemn anyone do you
Please tell me, how have I rejected Christ, I simply quote his words. Why does that mean I have rejected Christ?

 

[BreadOfLife]

You are a great testimony for a lack of confidence in rc teaching.

What's "RC" teaching??

I suggest you READ post #658 - maybe you'll learn something . . .

 

[Jim B]

You can reject Christ, curse the Holy Spirit and murder your entire family - and it is STILL not my place to condemn your SOUL (Matt. 7:1-2) I can only condemn your ACTIONS - your FRUIT (Matt. 7:15-19).

Jesus warned about people like YOU who condemn the souls of others:
Matt. 7:2
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

I cannot condemn your soul - even though YOU have rejected Christ in this conversation.
I can only pray that you repent of this great sin.

Jesus warned about people like YOU who condemn the souls of others:
Matt. 7:2
For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

 

[BreadOfLife]

These moronic sentences should be directed at you...
Post intelligently and you'll get an intelligent response.
However - when you regurgitate this kind of stupidity and you'll be put in your place . . .
Very unChristian behavior!

Ummmmm, I'm NOT the one who stupidly used the terms, "Popery" or "Roman" Catholic Church.
That was YOU . . .

 

[Jim B]

I get the SAME kind of response every time I expose an ignorant anti-Cathoic.

You wrote "This is idiotiuc! You are indeed The Catholoic Church!" and "I get the SAME kind of response every time I expose an ignorant anti-Cathoic."

Can't you even spell correctly??? Talk about ignornce!

 

[BreadOfLife]

Jesus warned about people like YOU who condemn the souls of others:

And now, you have compunded your lies by falsely accusing me.
Show me ONE instance where I condemned anybody's soul.

 

[theefaith]

Yes. Not Peter, not Mary, nobody but Jesus.

then where is the ark and of the new covenant?