Who is the Queen of Heaven.

[Jim B]

the impious Jews did not cry out crucify him! Crucify him!

Mk 15:12 And Pilate answered and said again unto them, What will ye then that I shall do unto him whom ye call the King of the Jews?

13 And they cried out again, Crucify him.

Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

so repent of your violation of the eighth commandment!

Okay then! The eight commandment says "you shall not steal". Since I haven't stolen anything why should I repent of my violation of the eighth commandment?

Did Mary tell you to write that nonsense?

 

[theefaith]

Mary, like Eve before her [the mother of all living (flesh)], as the carnal mother of the man of flesh, Jesus, is only a type or shadow of the Real Mother.

The Real Mother, the one who bears the children of God is the Church! That is not Eve nor is it Mary [Joseph's wife].

"And Naomi said unto her two daughters in law, Go, return each to her mother's house: the LORD deal kindly with you, as ye have dealt with the dead, and with me." Ruth 1:8

Which mother was Naomi speaking of? And then which Mother did Ruth choose?

"And Ruth said, Entreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God:" Ruth 1:16

Orpah went back to her natural mother, but Ruth, a gentile as we are (or have been) gentiles, chose a new and better Way, a better Mother.

And then...

"For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.

But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.

Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.

For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.

But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all." Gal 4:22-26

"So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free" Gal 4:31

"Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?

Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit." John 3:3-6

So who or what is Jerusalem? One literal translation of the word Jerusalem: "set yet double peace". [That brings to my mind the double portion that Jacob gave to Joseph. But that's another and a perhaps deeper subject.]

"And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband." Rev 21:1-2

Consider also that a Mother has children. We know how Ruth (Bride) had children effectively for her dead husband the son of Naomi (Mother Church) via Boaz. We can make it complicated, but it doesn't have to be if we trust God to help us in it:

"There are threescore queens, and fourscore concubines, and virgins without number.

My dove, my undefiled is but one; she is the only one of her mother, she is the choice one of her that bare her. The daughters saw her, and blessed her; yea, the queens and the concubines, and they praised her." Song of Solomon 6:8-9

The Church is the spiritual Mother that took us in and nourished us properly with the flesh and blood of Jesus so that we could have the Life which he is... so that we could speak that words of the Father as Jesus did... so that we could walk the walk that Jesus walked along the "highway of holiness".

Mary is our spiritual mother!


Behold thy mother!

What does Behold in scripture mean?

A marvelous thing!
A miraculous action!
A wonder!
An awe inspiring declaration!

Behold thy mother!

John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith has he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Jesus is not asking John to care for His mother, if so He would have said so, he is not even speaking to John, scripture says He is addressing the disciple, therefore it applies to all disciples.

Jesus is making Mary spiritual mother to all disciples! And all disciples take Her into thier home, And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!

What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He gave Mary to be the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!

As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation! Behold, I make all things new!

Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!

Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!

The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!

Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.

 

[theefaith]

* he is simply a parrot trained by corrupt gentiles.

the new covenant church is Christian not Jewish or gentiles!

All are one in Christ!

 

[Jim B]

the new covenant church is Christian not Jewish or gentiles!

All are one in Christ!

There are no other people than Jews or Gentiles (no-Jews). The church has both Jews and Gentiles; always had since the time of the Apostles.

 

[amadeus]

Mary is our spiritual mother!


Behold thy mother!

What does Behold in scripture mean?

A marvelous thing!
A miraculous action!
A wonder!
An awe inspiring declaration!

Behold thy mother!

John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith has he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Jesus is not asking John to care for His mother, if so He would have said so, he is not even speaking to John, scripture says He is addressing the disciple, therefore it applies to all disciples.

Jesus is making Mary spiritual mother to all disciples! And all disciples take Her into thier home, And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!

What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He gave Mary to be the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!

As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation! Behold, I make all things new!

Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!

Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!

The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!

Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.

I believe you have missed the bigger picture, but I unable to give it to you. I do wish I could help you.

 

[Jim B]

Mary is our spiritual mother!


Behold thy mother!

What does Behold in scripture mean?

A marvelous thing!
A miraculous action!
A wonder!
An awe inspiring declaration!

Behold thy mother!

John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith has he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Jesus is not asking John to care for His mother, if so He would have said so, he is not even speaking to John, scripture says He is addressing the disciple, therefore it applies to all disciples.

Jesus is making Mary spiritual mother to all disciples! And all disciples take Her into thier home, And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!

What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He gave Mary to be the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!

As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation! Behold, I make all things new!

Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!

Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!

The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!

Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.

He is speaking to John directly! "Near the cross of Jesus stood his mother, his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. When Jesus saw his mother there, and the disciple whom he loved standing nearby, he said to her, “Woman, here is your son,” and to the disciple, “Here is your mother.” From that time on, this disciple took her into his home."

John 13:23, " One of them, the disciple whom Jesus loved, was reclining next to him." This is John, nobody else.

Your writing "Jesus is not asking John to care for His mother, if so He would have said so, he is not even speaking to John, scripture says He is addressing the disciple, therefore it applies to all disciples." No it does not! He was speaking to one person" John.

As usual, you're not making any sense.

You contradict yourself immediately when you write, "Jesus is making Mary spiritual mother to all disciples! [nonsense!] And all disciples take Her into thier home [nonsense], And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!" John needed to take care of Mary, not the other way around.

"He gave Mary to be the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!" This is self-contradictory.

 

[Jim B]

theefaith, the more I read your posts the more I am a believer in the principle of sola scriptura. The Bible clearly says what it says but you twist it into something entirely different. For example, John, "the disciple whom Jesus loved" was just one human being. What was said to him wasn't said to all disciples. If that was true, then what was said (as you claim) to Peter -- on this rock I will build my church -- wasn't said to Peter alone, but to all Jesus' followers.

"The queen of heaven" in the Bible" is mentioned in only one book: Jeremiah. (For example, Jeremiah 44:17, "... We will sacrifice and pour out drink offerings to the goddess called the Queen of Heaven") There is no reference in Revelation or anywhere else that Mary is the queen of heaven. And to say that she is our mother and/or our queen is nonsense.

Again, sola scriptura!!

 

[user]

What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He gave Mary to be the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!

That does not refer to Mary as the comforter...


John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him(How do they "know" him?); for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you(Jesus is the one dwelling with them and that is how they know him).
John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.(Jesus is come back to live in our hearts)

Think on this a bit...

Mark 3:32-33 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee. And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
Mark 3:34-35 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

 

[Jim B]

That does not refer to Mary as the comforter...


John 14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
John 14:17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him(How do they "know" him?); for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you(Jesus is the one dwelling with them and that is how they know him).
John 14:18 I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.(Jesus is come back to live in our hearts)

Think on this a bit...

Mark 3:32-33 And the multitude sat about him, and they said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren without seek for thee. And he answered them, saying, Who is my mother, or my brethren?
Mark 3:34-35 And he looked round about on them which sat about him, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! For whosoever shall do the will of God, the same is my brother, and my sister, and mother.

I think that theefaith is mentally ill. He keeps coming up with these delusions about what Scripture says and means. I am praying that, by some miracle, he will take off the spiritual blinders of the Catholic denomination and begin to see God's truth as revealed in Scripture.

 

[user]

I think that theefaith is mentally ill. He keeps coming up with these delusions about what Scripture says and means. I am praying that, by some miracle, he will take off the spiritual blinders of the Catholic denomination and begin to see God's truth as revealed in Scripture.

In my discourse with @theefaith regarding Rev 12, I wanted to point out that IF this were Mary (as he claims), then she had lots of kids...

Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

He should be able to confess chapter 12 speaks of Israel.

 

[Bob Estey]

Who it is not?

not is not Mary, ever virgin, mother of God, the real queen!

notice how there was valid intercession for the faithful!

Jer 7:16-20
“Therefore do not pray for this people, nor lift up a cry or prayer for them, nor make intercession to Me; for I will not hear you.

cos they are rebellious and disobedient

I'm not aware there is a Queen in heaven.

 

[Stan B]

I think that theefaith is mentally ill. He keeps coming up with these delusions about what Scripture says and means. I am praying that, by some miracle, he will take off the spiritual blinders of the Catholic denomination and begin to see God's truth as revealed in Scripture.

God warns us against praying for those who worship the Queen of Heaven because they are SO evil, that God will not listen!"

"As for you (Jeremiah), do not pray for these people, do not offer a plea or petition on their behalf, and do not beg Me, for I will not listen to you. Do you not see what they are doing in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? The sons gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough to make cakes for the Queen of Heaven; they pour out drink offerings to other gods to provoke Me to anger. But am I the One they are provoking? declares the LORD. Is it not themselves they spite, to their own shame? Jer 7:16

 

[Cassandra]

God warns us against praying for those who worship the Queen of Heaven because they are SO evil, that God will not listen!"

"As for you (Jeremiah), do not pray for these people, do not offer a plea or petition on their behalf, and do not beg Me, for I will not listen to you. Do you not see what they are doing in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? The sons gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough to make cakes for the Queen of Heaven; they pour out drink offerings to other gods to provoke Me to anger. But am I the One they are provoking? declares the LORD. Is it not themselves they spite, to their own shame? Jer 7:16

but what if it is all he knows? Judah and Jerusalem had a history of true God worship. Maybe theefaith was taught from a child that the way of Catholicism was the truth. His experience is different from theirs. I think he is innocent in his belief. If he has been taught that tradition and scripture are on the same level, even teetering toward tradition, because that is all he's known, then please understand that.
I think he is kooky too,(sometimes I'd swear he is a Catholic bot) and sometimes I wanna throw my arms up, but look at it this way: Thee faith allows you to witness to eyes outside of this forum, and to answer his objections.
He is kind of endearing, in an odd sort of way. I would miss him if he did not post.

 

[Stan B]

but what if it is all he knows? Judah and Jerusalem had a history of true God worship. Maybe theefaith was taught from a child that the way of Catholicism was the truth. His experience is different from theirs. I think he is innocent in his belief. If he has been taught that tradition and scripture are on the same level, even teetering toward tradition, because that is all he's known, then please understand that.

Yes, "the sins of the father are passed on to the third and fourth generation." And so is the faith of the father passed on to the third and fourth generation. I'm 80, today actually, and I have had the joy of seeing that in action.

"IF you seek Me, you will find Me."

 

[Jim B]

Yes, "the sins of the father are passed on to the third and fourth generation." And so is the faith of the father passed on to the third and fourth generation. I'm 80, today actually, and I have had the joy of seeing that in action.

"IF you seek Me, you will find Me."

Happy birthday, Stan! I'm not far behind you.

 

[user]

I'm 80, today actually, and I have had the joy of seeing that in action.

Happy Birthday!!
God Bless You.

 

[Cassandra]

or if we are doing a low sugar thing here is a lovely diabetic cake. Everyone on the forum can have their choice!!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

queen is a role not a wife or marriage

Role given by marriage! Or because she is next in line for the throne! C'mon man this is second grade stuff!

 

[Raccoon1010]

Pagan gods are those worshiped by pagans who believe their gods are real. But they are evil. A pagan is a person who does not believe in the One True God, his Son Jesus and his Holy Spirit but prefers to worship or pray to a being who can not hear or help. Waste of time.

Don't tell AA atheists that, they tell them that a rock is their higher power. They have to have some form of higher power for the program to work. And rocks don't even move on their own or talk.

But hey maybe that's how pagan worship works. Just having a higher power gives a person hope.

 

[Truther]

I think that theefaith is mentally ill. He keeps coming up with these delusions about what Scripture says and means. I am praying that, by some miracle, he will take off the spiritual blinders of the Catholic denomination and begin to see God's truth as revealed in Scripture.

I am not sure about mental illness but I agree about spiritual illness.