Run AWAY from Calvinism!

[marks]

My flesh was put under me over a year ago. My passions no longer toss me around, I no longer defend myself or take offense, even IF someone is awful to me. Before that, I took offense at being treated poorly or even if I wrongly perceived that someone was mean to me, and defended myself always. The opinions of me by others mattered very much to me and I muttered and murdered them in my heart if they dared to think ill of me or treat me poorly. I’m speaking of something I know and have experienced. One moment I was me in all my nauseous glory and the next moment I was free of that awful man. The day before it happened, I had been saying, Lord, I’m just like everyone else. I’m no better than an unbeliever. In fact, some unbelievers are better than me. I lack your love. I should always keep my mouth shut. I cannot help anyone. If you don’t give me love, I am useless to help anyone.

I appreciate your testimony.

Did you just not want to answer my question? Or is it that you don't know?

Much love!

 

[marks]

What deeper waters?
I look for actual practical help for myself and others.

That's where it's found, in the writings of the Apostle to the Gentiles who explains in great detail the realities of what happens when we are born again.

The greatest help I've found is that I know I am reconciled to God in Jesus Christ, and this is the truth that allows me to walk in the Spirit without sin. Not that I really make that statement, I am certain that I cannot ever be certain I don't do the works of the flesh.

And I'm not saying I always walk in the Spirit. But in this trust, it's true. We are free to do righteousness because law provokes sin, and our trust in in Jesus, and Jesus is life.

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

You have been crucified to your flesh, but your flesh is still there. But when we don't trust that truth, when we are deceived by our flesh as though it is still "me", as though it still has power, we allow the fleshy ways to come back into our thoughts, leading to feelings and actions, that are of the flesh.

Likewise reckon yourself dead to sin and alive to God . . . so you will live that way. We who are in Christ live according to what we think we are. If we think we are a conglomerate of spirit and flesh, we live that way. If we think we are flesh, we live that way. And if we think we are reconciled to God, and liberated from sin as a result, we live that way.

For you have died, and your life is hid with Christ in God . . . mortify therefore your members that are upon the earth.

Much love!

It is no practical help to a man being tortured by his passions to tell him to stop murdering and fuming. He cannot. The best he can do is try to keep his murder hidden in his heart. He will try and try and fail and fail. He will eventually become so odious to himself that he will ask, with tears, for the help he needs. He will ask for what he sees he lacks. If he thinks he’s better than others rather than exactly like others, he will not ask. Men don’t beg who think they are rich.

 

[Johann]

Yes, well I once again assumed people would know what verses I was speaking of. It’s a bad habit of mine.

24 Then Jesus told his disciples, “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 25 For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will find it. 26 For what will it profit a man if he gains the whole world and forfeits his soul? Or what shall a man give in return for his soul?

What is denying the ego eimi?
What does it mean to take up your cross?
What does it mean to follow the Master, Christ Jesus, our Lord?
J.

 

[marks]

Don't know, can't put my finger on it yet..01:47 in the morning here..you refuse to stick to biblical terminology and I find that troublesome.
J.

Blending new and old covenants, as though you've begun in the Spirit, but now must finish in the flesh. You are reborn by faith, but you stay in God's good graces by performance. Lack of performance will earn you a fate worse than death. It's a faith killer, and will only end in tears.

Much love!

 

[marks]

It is no practical help to a man being tortured by his passions to tell him to stop murdering and fuming. He cannot.

If he is in Christ, he most certainly can!

And I'm here to share how we can do this, and I speak from knowledge.

Take it or leave it, you seem to mostly leave it, but I'm going to continue to share this for as long as God allows.

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I appreciate your testimony.

Did you just not want to answer my question? Or is it that you don't know?

Much love!

You take offense at what I say very often. You ask me what I think about you over and over until I answer. No, I do not think your flesh has been put under yet. Then you always put me on ignore at some point because my answer offends you and you think me arrogant. Such goes a conversation with you.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Blending new and old covenants, as though you've begun in the Spirit, but now must finish in the flesh. You are reborn by faith, but you stay in God's good graces by performance. Lack of performance will earn you a fate worse than death. It's a faith killer, and will only end in tears.

Much love!

What part of giving up trying and asking for what you lack is trying to finish in the flesh…?

 

[marks]

If he thinks he’s better than others rather than exactly like others, he will not ask. Men don’t beg who think they are rich.

There are so many who are rich in Christ, and see themselves as destitute because no one has told them that they are free from sin. They sin, still being lied to by their flesh, and they think they have to keep sinning. They sin, and someone is there to tell them they are disfellowshipped from God, so they don't go to the One who frees them.

Ask that God give you trust in His Word, and read Romans 4-8 until you see you are free. Or Colossians, it's shorter, just believe EVERY word!

Much love!

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

32 pages of comments and im lost on what the topic is anymore.

 

[marks]

You take offense at what I say very often. You ask me what I think about you over and over until I answer. No, I do not think your flesh has been put under yet. Then you always put me on ignore at some point because my answer offends you and you think me arrogant. Such goes a conversation with you.

Or rather your perception of the conversation. I try to draw you out into a serious discussion where we can be free, and not have hidden things clouding our way. I don't think you are arrogant, actually, that's a long way away from how I see you. You seem to me to be one who has a deep longing for a life you don't think you can have. And if someone seems to be saying they can have that life, this comes across to you as superficial, not real.

And while you think you understand things, and I have hubris, yet you continue to engage with me in a hope to impart a gift.

Please let me know where I'm wrong in this.

Much love!

 

[marks]

32 pages of comments and im lost on what the topic is anymore.

Right now it's about how to know Christ's abundant life through trusting in the competeness of our reconciliation to God in Jesus Christ.

Much love!

 

[marks]

As much as I absolutely HATE to leave right now . . . I'm 20 minutes late . . .

I love you!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Or rather your perception of the conversation. I try to draw you out into a serious discussion where we can be free, and not have hidden things clouding our way. I don't think you are arrogant, actually, that's a long way away from how I see you. You seem to me to be one who has a deep longing for a life you don't think you can have. And if someone seems to be saying they can have that life, this comes across to you as superficial, not real.

And while you think you understand things, and I have hubris, yet you continue to engage with me in a hope to impart a gift.

Please let me know where I'm wrong in this.

Much love!

I can’t let you know where I think you are wrong because I honestly don’t know what you were saying.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

As much as I absolutely HATE to leave right now . . . I'm 20 minutes late . . .

I love you!

I love you too!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Or rather your perception of the conversation.

It’s a bit difficult to believe being announced you are on ignore quite a few times for attacking your character is merely a perception of offense being taken.

 

[Titus]

I don't read Calvin's writings. Uninspired, fallible.
Blessings

And let's not forget, full of contradictions.

 

[APAK]

32 pages of comments and im lost on what the topic is anymore.

I can explain it all....In the process of running away from John Calvin and his merry camp of TULIP lovers, who laugh uncontrollably as a defensive mechanism and speak out loudly at the first sign of resistance from the unconverted, many, surprisingly on both sides of the aisle, began to drive off in different directions, in circles evidently, and ended right back at his camp. His attraction and grace to strangers is so irresistible it seems...lol

The new topic now is....'how I learned to stop running away from Calvinism and grin and bear it'

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Sometimes people laugh because they hear something preposterous.

 

[Lambano]

32 pages of comments and im lost on what the topic is anymore.

Yeah, what the hell happened here? We leave you guys unsupervised for an afternoon and we come back and the tables are all overturned, the windows are busted, and there's blood all over the place!