Homosexuality Being Accepted And Embraced By Christians

[JohnPaul]

The scriptures show a person has to repent of the sins they're practicing and begin practicing the True God standards. You can't remain a practicing homosexual if you wish to be one of the True God's servant and be in his kingdom.

@BARNEY BRIGHT, sorry brother for my previous actions and rudeness towards you, I hope you forgive me and that I may call you brother.

God bless.

 

[Moonstone Eterni]

"For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him." John 3:16-17

There is nothing in this verse that in any way alludes to God judging people the way you all judge homosexuals (and others?). It clearly says that God loved the world, not just some people. God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world but some of you have taken that role on yourselves. That is contrary to God!

You might want to carefully meditate on thes verses! “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For by the standard you judge you will be judged, and the measure you use will be the measure you receive. Why do you see the speck in your brother’s eye, but fail to see the beam of wood in your own?"

Regarding 2 Corinthians 6:14, "Do not become partners with those who do not believe, for what partnership is there between righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship does light have with darkness?" NET v2.1 (That is the verse posted above.) That is addressing partners with unbelievers, not homosexuals. It is a serious error to distort the words of God to have them mean what you want them to mean. How do you apply this to homosexuals who are believers?

I agree with you that God’s love, mercy, and forgiveness are available to all sinners who repent, including homosexual sinners who seek Christ.

However, I feel a bit concerned for gay people who continue engaging in adult activity related to their orientation after they have accepted Christ. While the homosexual orientation is not so bad as many Christians of the conservative variety seem to think, at least in my opinion, it is very bad if a gay Christian acquires an HIV infection, since it will kill him. The CDC reports that 1 in 5 homosexual men in the US are HIV+, so I believe it’s best for gay Christians to either practice chastity or try changing their orientation to the best of their ability.

I wish to emphasize that I’m not condemning gay people. Far from it, since I don’t see the homosexual orientation in and of itself as a terrible thing. What I do see as bad is the risk a gay Christian has from the possibility of getting HIV. God doesn’t want his believers to die from AIDS complications.

Let me know what you think.

 

[JohnPaul]

I agree with you that God’s love, mercy, and forgiveness are available to all sinners who repent, including homosexual sinners who seek Christ.

However, I feel a bit concerned for gay people who continue engaging in adult activity related to their orientation after they have accepted Christ. While the homosexual orientation is not so bad as many Christians of the conservative variety seem to think, at least in my opinion, it is very bad if a gay Christian acquires an HIV infection, since it will kill him. The CDC reports that 1 in 5 homosexual men in the US are HIV+, so I believe it’s best for gay Christians to either practice chastity or try changing their orientation to the best of their ability.

I wish to emphasize that I’m not condemning gay people. Far from it, since I don’t see the homosexual orientation in and of itself as a terrible thing. What I do see as bad is the risk a gay Christian has from the possibility of getting HIV. God doesn’t want his believers to die from AIDS complications.

Let me know what you think.

Homosexuality is a sin no matter what, unless the individual repents and abstains from his sexual activity and begs God for forgiveness and mercy, then he or she can redeem themselves and be saved.

 

[Moonstone Eterni]

Homosexuality is a sin no matter what, unless the individual repents and abstains from his sexual activity and begs God for forgiveness and mercy, then he or she can redeem themselves and be saved.

Thanks for the opinion, but I’m not so sure if homosexual activity in and of itself (without the HIV acquisition possibility) is the super bad sin that folks like you believe it is. Why do you think gay adult relations are unforgivable? Let me know the reasons.

 

[JohnPaul]

Thanks for the opinion, but I’m not so sure if homosexual activity in and of itself (without the HIV acquisition possibility) is the super bad sin that folks like you believe it is. Why do you think gay adult relations are unforgivable? Let me know the reasons.

Read the Bible.

 

[Moonstone Eterni]

Read the Bible.

I did. In fact, I’ve read through the entire Bible too many times to count, and I know and understand scripture very well. There is only one unforgivable sin: Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. It’s where someone attributes the goodness of God’s holiness to evil. Homosexuality isn’t listed as an unforgivable sin; and in my honest opinion, I don’t really see the orientation in and of itself as a bad thing. The only real bad thing associated with being gay, at least in my analysis, is the possibility that a homosexual Christian can acquire an HIV infection from it.

 

[JohnPaul]

I did. In fact, I’ve read through the entire Bible too many times to count, and I know and understand scripture very well. There is only one unforgivable sin: Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. It’s where someone attributes the goodness of God’s holiness to evil. Homosexuality isn’t listed as an unforgivable sin; and in my honest opinion, I don’t really see the orientation in and of itself as a bad thing. The only real bad thing associated with being gay, at least in my analysis, is the possibility that a homosexual Christian can acquire an HIV infection from it.

I never said it was unforgivable, it’s only forgivable if a person repents and abstains from homosexual activity.

 

[Jim B]

I agree with you that God’s love, mercy, and forgiveness are available to all sinners who repent, including homosexual sinners who seek Christ.

However, I feel a bit concerned for gay people who continue engaging in adult activity related to their orientation after they have accepted Christ. While the homosexual orientation is not so bad as many Christians of the conservative variety seem to think, at least in my opinion, it is very bad if a gay Christian acquires an HIV infection, since it will kill him. The CDC reports that 1 in 5 homosexual men in the US are HIV+, so I believe it’s best for gay Christians to either practice chastity or try changing their orientation to the best of their ability.

I wish to emphasize that I’m not condemning gay people. Far from it, since I don’t see the homosexual orientation in and of itself as a terrible thing. What I do see as bad is the risk a gay Christian has from the possibility of getting HIV. God doesn’t want his believers to die from AIDS complications.

Let me know what you think.

I agree with you.

 

[Jim B]

Homosexuality is a sin no matter what, unless the individual repents and abstains from his sexual activity and begs God for forgiveness and mercy, then he or she can redeem themselves and be saved.

The same condition applies to all sin, not just homosexuality. All sin is unacceptable to God, including (but not limited to) adultery, stealing, greed, love of money (wealth), rage, violence, etc.

 

[Jim B]

Read the Bible.

Jesus never mentioned homosexuality. Read the Bible.

 

[Moonstone Eterni]

The same condition applies to all sin, not just homosexuality. All sin is unacceptable to God, including (but not limited to) adultery, stealing, greed, love of money (wealth), rage, violence, etc.

Do you remember the gay wedding cake controversy? A Christian baker wouldn't make the cake for an engaged homosexual couple, and it made the national news. It seems odd that many Christian conservative bakers won't do their job for gay patrons, but they never appear to object to making cakes for finance professionals (sin of greed), people with violent criminal convictions (sin of rage), or massively overweight folks (sin of gluttony). Why would they single out gay Christians for refusal of service? The answer is a mystery to me.

 

[Triumph1300]

I don’t see the homosexual orientation in and of itself as a terrible thing.

Does it matter to you what God has to say about it?

 

[Moonstone Eterni]

Does it matter to you what God has to say about it?

The New Testament barely mentions homosexuality, and the Gospels don’t talk about it at all. Mole hill meet mountain.

 

[Triumph1300]

Why would they single out gay Christians for refusal of service? The answer is a mystery to me.

Because the other sins are not pushed in a radical way into your face like homosexuality is.
Flags, rainbow coloured crossways, Hollywood actors coming out of the closets. Etc Etc

I don't see "other sinful lifestyles" coming out, such as liars, thieves, murderers, etc
I have never heard of those walking into businesses and ordering products to promote their sinful lifestyles.

 

[Moonstone Eterni]

Because the other sins are not pushed in a radical way into your face like homosexuality is.
Flags, rainbow coloured crossways, Hollywood actors coming out of the closets. Etc Etc

I don't see "other sinful lifestyles" coming out, such as liars, thieves, murderers, etc
I have never heard of those walking into businesses and ordering products to promote their sinful lifestyles.

I know about the psychology of people with left-wing political views. Many of them are unhappy people, as reported by the New York Times, a very left-leaning publication. The more progressive someone identified themselves as, the more likely they were to be depressed. Vice versa for conservatives. You can read it here: Opinion | Conservatives Are Happier Than Liberals. Discuss.

Leftists have a tendency to see the world in terms of “oppressed” and “oppressor,” and this is because they feel oppressed (unhappy) in their own lives. Thus, they like to identify with so-called oppressed groups like blacks, illegal aliens, feminists, homosexuals, etc. Since our media is mostly left-wing, we see many journalists on TV and the news promoting homosexuality and in some cases celebrating it. This fits with the progressivist psychology of projecting their oppressed feelings onto “oppressed” groups.

I wrote this to describe why the media endlessly promotes LGBT acceptance. If it is something that bothers you that much, why watch in the first place?

 

[Jim B]

I know about the psychology of people with left-wing political views. Many of them are unhappy people, as reported by the New York Times, a very left-leaning publication. The more progressive someone identified themselves as, the more likely they were to be depressed. Vice versa for conservatives. You can read it here: Opinion | Conservatives Are Happier Than Liberals. Discuss.

Leftists have a tendency to see the world in terms of “oppressed” and “oppressor,” and this is because they feel oppressed (unhappy) in their own lives. Thus, they like to identify with so-called oppressed groups like blacks, illegal aliens, feminists, homosexuals, etc. Since our media is mostly left-wing, we see many journalists on TV and the news promoting homosexuality and in some cases celebrating it. This fits with the progressivist psychology of projecting their oppressed feelings onto “oppressed” groups.

I wrote this to describe why the media endlessly promotes LGBT acceptance. If it is something that bothers you that much, why watch in the first place?

Why read this nonsense in the first place?

 

[Triumph1300]

The New Testament barely mentions homosexuality, and the Gospels don’t talk about it at all.

Well, it does not use the word "homosexuality" at all.
But the Bible warns against the homosexual behaviour.

Here is one example from the New Testament:

‘For this reason God gave them up to dishonourable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error’

Romans 1:26-27

And there is more if you care to study the Word.

 

[Moonstone Eterni]

Why read this nonsense in the first place?

He brought up the subject of why the left-wing media likes to promote LGBT acceptance, so I gave my input on why they do it.

I probably didn’t need to reply, though. Sorry.

 

[Triumph1300]

If it is something that bothers you that much, why watch in the first place?

Does not bother me one bit.
I just shake my head and watch the rest of the news.

 

[Jim B]

Well, it does not use the word "homosexuality" at all.
But the Bible warns against the homosexual behaviour.

Here is one example from the New Testament:

‘For this reason God gave them up to dishonourable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error’

Romans 1:26-27

And there is more if you care to study the Word.

This example starts with "For this reason..." What is that reason? In my Bible it clearly says "They exchanged the truth of God for a lie and worshiped and served the creation rather than the Creator" Romans 1:25a So unless the people mentioned are worshiping and serving the creation it doesn't apply. Context matters!

And there is more if you care to study the Word honestly without a predetermined personal agenda.

 

[Triumph1300]

Here's one by Bonhoeffer about Cheap Grace.
It's worth reading.

Essentially, he wrote that cheap grace is taking sin lightly.

If sin is taken lightly, then the salvation Jesus purchased with his life is also cheap.

Here’s an excerpt:

“Cheap grace is the preaching of forgiveness without requiring repentance, baptism without church discipline, Communion without confession, absolution without personal confession. Cheap grace is grace without discipleship, grace without the cross, grace without Jesus Christ, living and incarnate…Such grace is costly because it calls us to follow, and it is grace because it calls us to follow Jesus Christ. It is costly because it costs a man his life, and it is grace because it gives a man the only true life. It is costly because it condemns sin, and grace because it justifies the sinner. Above all, it is costly because it cost God the life of his Son: "ye were bought at a price," and what has cost God much cannot be cheap for us. Above all, it is grace because God did not reckon his Son too dear a price to pay for our life, but delivered him up for us. Costly grace is the Incarnation of God.” –Dietrich Bonhoeffer, The Cost of Discipleship

And maybe read post 276 on this thread.