Secure Eternal Salvation

[BreadOfLife]

Yawn.
I am not a Protestant, I am a bible believing born again, child of God. And you can not take that from me.

If you are a baptized Christian and a NON-Catholic and NON-Orthodox - you are by definition a "Protestant."
prot·es·tant | \ ˈprä-tə-stənt , sense 2 is also prə-ˈte- \
Definition of protestant
(Entry 1 of 2)
1Protestant
a: any of a group of German princes and cities presenting a defense of freedom of conscience against an edict of the Diet of Speyer in 1529 intended to suppress the Lutheran movement
b: a member of any of several church denominations denying the universal authority of the Pope and affirming the Reformation principles of justification by faith alone, the priesthood of all believers, and the primacy of the Bible as the only source of revealed truthbroadly : a Christian not of a Catholic or Eastern church

If you would stop defending your church and being so angry by saying people who disagree with you protest you. You may be able to find some of that peace as well.

The word has continued inspite of the fact the romans and the church they called by their name destroyed any practical evidence of the real church, and imprisoned or killed any one they deemed to be a heretic for well over 1000 years.

The reformation happened because Rome’s power died. Not because people all of a sudden decided that we needed change.

You want to listen to men and history. Feel free. The jews did that, and by it crucified their own messiah.

Forgive me if i do not want to make the same mistake by thinking that satan did nt do the same thing to the church that he did with the jews.

In Christ’s day, the true believers were not large. It had no power. It was prety much hidden, Because the church of power was the jewish church (ekklesia or gathering) which considered all true believers outcasts, heathen haters of God.

In fact, throughout human history we can say the same thing, with the exception of after the flood where prety much everyone was saved, But look how quickly the true believers again became the minority.

And if YOU would stop being so dishonest - we could have a civil discourse.
However - statements like the opnes above simply bolster the need for people like YOU to be taken out to the Scriptural and historical woodshed . . .

I have stated ad nauseam that I don't condemn anything OR anyone who sumply "disagrees" with the Cathoolic position. There are several Protestants here that I have conversed with over the years that I would consider friends.
I condemns those who resort to LYING to make their arguments - which you and YOU cronies on this thread have done in spades.

When I admonish you for it - you guys ALL start whining about how "angry" and "mean" I am. Not "angry" at all - just intolerant of your lies and fairy tales . . .

PS - I noticed that you couldn't refute a SINGLE verse I presented in my last post that shows the funtion of the Catholic Priesthood.
Good job . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

If you've been paying attention you'd know that I recognize the official spiritual offices in the church, the body of believers. What I don't recognize is the Catholic church leader's claim of possessing those offices.

In regard to settling disputes, Paul said "those of no standing" can pass judgments in such cases, in fact, shaming the church at Corinth for not doing that.

Ummmm, Paul ALSO said . . .
2 Thess 2:15
"Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an ORAL STATEMENT or by a LETTER from us."

1 Thess. 5:12
We ask you, brothers, to respect those who are laboring among you and who are OVER YOU in the Lord and who admonish you,

1 Tim. 5:17
Let the elders that RULE WELL be counted worthy of DOUBLE HONOUR, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.


So - when Jesus said the following to Hius inner circle - He was talking about YOU . . .
Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."[/QUOTE]

 

[BreadOfLife]

No pride at all here

It's not a matter of "pride".
It's a matter of rebuking you for your falsehoods.

1 Tim. 5:20
As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.

When you guys LIE about Catholucs - you are sinning.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Ummmm, Paul ALSO said . . .
2 Thess 2:15
"Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an ORAL STATEMENT or by a LETTER from us."

1 Thess. 5:12
We ask you, brothers, to respect those who are laboring among you and who are OVER YOU in the Lord and who admonish you,

1 Tim. 5:17
Let the elders that RULE WELL be counted worthy of DOUBLE HONOUR, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.


So - when Jesus said the following to Hius inner circle - He was talking about YOU . . .
Luke 10:16
Whoever listens to YOU listens to ME. Whoever rejects YOU rejects ME. And whoever rejects ME rejects the ONE who sent ME."

[/QUOTE]
The Catholic priesthood is not that inner circle.
I'm not rejecting Christ when I reject the Catholic church. Not even remotely.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Soooo - you go to church with all of these people?
Where do you attend your Sunday services?
Whuch denomination or faith tradition are you affiliated with?
Do you have a Pastor?

Are you a narcissist?

 

[Illuminator]

It's not a matter of "pride".
It's a matter of rebuking you for your falsehoods.

1 Tim. 5:20
As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.

When you guys LIE about Catholucs - you are sinning.

Maybe not so much sinning as it is invincible ignorance. Our whole culture is anti-Catholic. There's money in it.

https://www.amazon.ca/dp/B01F57R0LO/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

 

[Enoch111]

Maybe not so much sinning as it is invincible ignorance. Our whole culture is anti-Catholic. There's money in it.

Why do Catholics think that non-Catholics are ignorant about the church of Rome and its shenanigans since the time of Constantine? There's no money in exposing a church that makes money from the false doctrine of Purgatory, while holding to all kinds of false beliefs and superstitions.

'The worship of relics, like the worship of Mary and the saints, began in a sound religious feeling of reverence, of love, and of gratitude, but has swollen to an avalanche, and rushed into all kinds of superstitious and idolatrous excess. "The most glorious thing that the mind conceives," says Goethe, "is always set upon by a throng of more and more foreign matter.".... But toward the middle of the fourth century the veneration of relics simultaneously with the worship of the saints, assumed a decidedly superstitious and idolatrous character. The earthly remains of the martyrs were discovered commonly by visions and revelations, often not till centuries after their death, then borne in solemn processions to the churches and chapels erected to their memory, and deposited under the altar;883 and this event was annually celebrated by a festival.884 The legend of the discovery of the holy cross gave rise to two church festivals...
From History of the Christian Church by Philip Schaff.

 

[post]

Cos Jesus Christ is the truth and cos His church is of divine origin, commissioned to teach the truth!

But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ,
we ourselves also are found sinners, is Christ therefore a minister of sin? Certainly not!
(Galatians 2:17)​

 

[post]

If you are a baptized Christian and a NON-Catholic and NON-Orthodox - you are by definition a "Protestant."
prot·es·tant | \ ˈprä-tə-stənt , sense 2 is also prə-ˈte- \
Definition of protestant
(Entry 1 of 2)
1Protestant
a: any of a group of German princes and cities presenting a defense of freedom of conscience against an edict of the Diet of Speyer in 1529 intended to suppress the Lutheran movement
b: a member of any of several church denominations denying the universal authority of the Pope and affirming the Reformation principles of justification by faith alone, the priesthood of all believers, and the primacy of the Bible as the only source of revealed truthbroadly : a Christian not of a Catholic or Eastern church

i protest this labelling

 

[post]

Oh goodness....soooooooooooooooooooo you think that EVERY believer has the anointing of the Holy Spirit with them to know when what they are hearing is truth??? Right? Isn't that what you are saying???

That puts you in a prediciment: Your truth is different than my truth. The Catholic churches truth is different than the baptist. Martin Luthers truth was different then Zwingili's etc etc and so on and so on for the last 2,000 years. So WHO discerns which person OR denomination was led by The Spirit into the Truth???? Can you not see how your theory makes no sense???

that is only a predicament if you presume all Christians are infallible.
experience, as well as scripture shows that we are capable of frustrating the Spirit ((Isaiah 63:10, Acts 7:51, Galatians 2:21, Ephesians 4:30, 1 Thessalonians 5:19, etc))
so the Word is not contradicted, that we who belong to Him have in us the Spirit that teaches us all things ((1 John 2:27)) - and it is in fact upheld, because even though John writes this in his little letter, doesn't he also fill that letter with instruction? to those very ones about whom he says, you do not need to be instructed?

it makes much less sense that one man, appointed by men, has God's anointing, and that this man appointed by men speaks as God to all men.
what does scripture say?

No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother,
saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them,
says the LORD.
For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.
(Jeremiah 31:34)​

and

He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ
(Ephesians 4:11-12)​

if only the papacy should teach, only the papacy knows the Truth, then what are we doing here in a forum discussing doctrine?
and you, @Marymog, if you believe your own words, what are you doing trying to teach @Ferris Bueller? aren't you contradicting your own doctrine by thinking to instruct anyone?

but Ferris is correct - is God's purpose that we all remain children under a Roman schoolmaster? or that we become wise, and that He Himself dwell in and work through all of us, His body, over which He and He alone is the head?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

i protest this labelling

Lol

Its a learned response. It puffs themselves up

 

[Eternally Grateful]

If you are a baptized Christian and a NON-Catholic and NON-Orthodox - you are by definition a "Protestant."
prot·es·tant | \ ˈprä-tə-stənt , sense 2 is also prə-ˈte- \
Definition of protestant
(Entry 1 of 2)
1Protestant
a: any of a group of German princes and cities presenting a defense of freedom of conscience against an edict of the Diet of Speyer in 1529 intended to suppress the Lutheran movement
b: a member of any of several church denominations denying the universal authority of the Pope and affirming the Reformation principles of justification by faith alone, the priesthood of all believers, and the primacy of the Bible as the only source of revealed truthbroadly : a Christian not of a Catholic or Eastern church

And if YOU would stop being so dishonest - we could have a civil discourse.
However - statements like the opnes above simply bolster the need for people like YOU to be taken out to the Scriptural and historical woodshed . . .

I have stated ad nauseam that I don't condemn anything OR anyone who sumply "disagrees" with the Cathoolic position. There are several Protestants here that I have conversed with over the years that I would consider friends.
I condemns those who resort to LYING to make their arguments - which you and YOU cronies on this thread have done in spades.

When I admonish you for it - you guys ALL start whining about how "angry" and "mean" I am. Not "angry" at all - just intolerant of your lies and fairy tales . . .

PS - I noticed that you couldn't refute a SINGLE verse I presented in my last post that shows the funtion of the Catholic Priesthood.
Good job . . .

Yeah Puff yourself up it is all you have.

My pride is in christ.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

It's not a matter of "pride".
It's a matter of rebuking you for your falsehoods.

1 Tim. 5:20
As for those who persist in sin, rebuke them in the presence of all, so that the rest may stand in fear.

When you guys LIE about Catholucs - you are sinning.

In order to rebuke me you have to have some truth

You can not even fathom what the bread of life is (your name) how can you then rebuke the person who is saved based on the true bread of life, which whoever eats will never die.

You keep eating and eating and eating, much like the jews kept eating the manna, And have no assurance you will not die.

You have nothing to offer me my friend.

 

[post]

Us Catholics have a Church that has "supremacy" over us. What Church has supremacy over you?

He is the head of the body, the church
(Colossians 1:18)​

we, many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
(Romans 12:5)​

i am not subject to an earthly organization.
i belong to all believers, and all believers belong to me.

if i say, 'my church needs an human king, like the nations around us!' am i not rejecting the LORD my King?
1 Samuel 8 ring a bell?

 

[post]

Lol

Its a learned response. It puffs themselves up

someone has said, "a gang is a weapon that you trade your mind in for"

 

[BreadOfLife]

The Catholic priesthood is not that inner circle.
I'm not rejecting Christ when I reject the Catholic church. Not even remotely.[/QUOTE]
Not - it's Christ you are rejecting.
He equates Hisa very SELF with his Church . . .

Acts 9:4-5
And falling to the ground, he heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me?” 5 And he said, “Who are you, Lord?” And he said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting."

WHO was Saul persecuting?
Answer: the CHURCH.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Are you a narcissist?

Sooooo, because I asked you about where you go to church and if you have a pastor - you ask if I'm a "narcissut"??
Do you even know what a narcissist is??

Talk about a non sequitor . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

i protest this labelling

Take it up with Merriam-Webster . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

In order to rebuke me you have to have some truth

You can not even fathom what the bread of life is (your name) how can you then rebuke the person who is saved based on the true bread of life, which whoever eats will never die.

You keep eating and eating and eating, much like the jews kept eating the manna, And have no assurance you will not die.

You have nothing to offer me my friend.

And this is what you'll never understand - short of the Holy Spirit oipening your eyes.

The fact that YOU reject the truth doesn't make ut "untrue".
It simply illustraes YOUR lack of faith . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yeah Puff yourself up it is all you have.

My pride is in christ.

As I stated before - showing you the truth isn't a matter of "pride".
If you don't like being a Protestant - then DON'T be one . . .