Why do Catholics adore, worship and deify Mary so much?

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Which verse says that Mary was without sin. And sin is not the same as evil. Sin is a human trait, evil is of the devil.
I'm not talking about SIN...
I was referencing the SIN NATURE.

As to the verse...
HAIL FAVORED ONE...
YOU HAVE FOUND FAVOR WITH GOD (spoken by Gabriel)
YOU WILL CONCEIVE AND BEAR A SON....JESUS (God Is Salvation)
THE HOLY OFFSPRING WILL BE CALLED THE SON OF GOD.
FOR NOTHING WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE WITH GOD.
THE BABY LEAPED IN HER WOMB. (Elizabeth's womb).
ELIZABETH WAS FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.
BLESSED AMONG WOMEN ARE YOU...AND BLESSED IS THE FRUIT OF YOUR WOMB.
GOD HAS HAD REGARD FOR THE HUMBLE STATE OF HIS BONDSERVANT.
ALL GENERATIONS WILL COUNT ME BLESSED.
THE MIGHTY ONE HAS DONE GREAT THINGS FOR ME.
LUKE 1

Many theologians have come to the conclusion that Mary was pure and holy and free from the sin nature.
I'd say that they came to this conclusion by study -- same as the conclusion that was reached regarding
the Trinity; study.
 

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I'm not talking about SIN...
I was referencing the SIN NATURE.

As to the verse...
HAIL FAVORED ONE...
YOU HAVE FOUND FAVOR WITH GOD (spoken by Gabriel)
YOU WILL CONCEIVE AND BEAR A SON....JESUS (God Is Salvation)
THE HOLY OFFSPRING WILL BE CALLED THE SON OF GOD.
FOR NOTHING WILL BE IMPOSSIBLE WITH GOD.
THE BABY LEAPED IN HER WOMB. (Elizabeth's womb).
ELIZABETH WAS FILLED WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT.
BLESSED AMONG WOMEN ARE YOU...AND BLESSED IS THE FRUIT OF YOUR WOMB.
GOD HAS HAD REGARD FOR THE HUMBLE STATE OF HIS BONDSERVANT.
ALL GENERATIONS WILL COUNT ME BLESSED.
THE MIGHTY ONE HAS DONE GREAT THINGS FOR ME.
LUKE 1

Many theologians have come to the conclusion that Mary was pure and holy and free from the sin nature.
I'd say that they came to this conclusion by study -- same as the conclusion that was reached regarding
the Trinity; study.
I agree Mary was pure or God wouldn't have chose her but it doesn't mean she was without sin. She loved God and was innocent and obedient but pure doesn't mean free from the sinful nature we are all born with. She was this sort of pure:
Matthew 5:8
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
 

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I agree Mary was pure or God wouldn't have chose her but it doesn't mean she was without sin. She loved God and was innocent and obedient but pure doesn't mean free from the sinful nature we are all born with. She was this sort of pure:
Matthew 5:8
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
Pearl,
There's no scripture that specifically states this, so I'm not going to debate it too much.
I have thought about it a lot however, and it does seem to make a lot of sense.
Jesus had to be carried in the womb of a human woman.
How could God live within a human that is sinful?
Someone born with the sin nature is sinful by nature until they are born again.
Do you think Mary had to be born again at some point?
I just don't think so.
I think she was born sans the sin nature.

But I won't argue this too much.
I do believe God can do what He wishes...I think I've already stated this.

And also, since we're on this subject, I believe we Protestants do not give Mary enough honor.
I think she deserves more than we're willing to give.
Some on this thread sound like they actually dislike her (although I'm sure that's not true, maybe).
 

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You think God made Jesus be born of a person that has evil in them?
The sin nature is evil.

In the Garden, we find the knowledge of the Tree of Good and Evil.

Jesus did also die to obtain the merits of her salvation, but it was applied to her soul in the first moment of her creation by God! Lk 1:49

gen 3:15 none of satan’s works are found in her or Satan could accuse Christ of have a sinner for a mother, we can’t have that!


Proving Mary most holy, ever virgin mother of God & mother of our salvation is not a sinner!

Lk 1:28 Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women.

How can God fill a sinner with grace, and remain a sinner?
Hail Mary full of grace!

How can the Lord be with sinner?
The lord is with thee!

How can sinner be blessed!
Blessed art thou, and all generations shall call me blessed!

Lk 1: 43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

How can a sinner be the mother of God?

Lk 1: 45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

How could sinner be faithful?

Lk 1: 46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

How could a sinner magnify the Lord?

Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

How could sinner be humble?

Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

How could sinner be the immaculate conception and the have the Holy Spirit accomplish the Miraculous conception of Jesus in Her?

Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

How could sinner be a perpetual Virgin bringing forth the savior of the world?

Jn 19:27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

How could sinner be our spiritual mother?

Lk 2:30 I have seen my salvation!

How could a sinner be the mother of our salvation?
 
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@Pearl

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Do you think God prepared Mary for her role...
or do you think He picked the best woman around at that time?

I think God prepared her for this most important role.

(I'm not reformed, but in some cases I do believe God prepared persons for special missions, as do most Christians).
 

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Jesus did also die to obtain the merits of her salvation, but it was applied to her soul in the first moment of her creation by God! Lk 1:49

gen 3:15 none of satan’s works are found in her or Satan could accuse Christ of have a sinner for a mother, we can’t have that!


Proving Mary most holy, ever virgin mother of God & mother of our salvation is not a sinner!

Lk 1:28 Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou among women.

How can God fill a sinner with grace, and remain a sinner?
Hail Mary full of grace!

How can the Lord be with sinner?
The lord is with thee!

How can sinner be blessed!
Blessed art thou, and all generations shall call me blessed!

Lk 1: 43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

How can a sinner be the mother of God?

Lk 1: 45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

How could sinner be faithful?

Lk 1: 46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

How could a sinner magnify the Lord?

Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

How could sinner be humble?

Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

How could sinner be the immaculate conception and the have the Holy Spirit accomplish the Miraculous conception of Jesus in Her?

Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

How could sinner be a perpetual Virgin bringing forth the savior of the world?

Jn 19:27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

How could sinner be our spiritual mother?

Lk 2:30 I have seen my salvation!

How could a sinner be the mother of our salvation?
Yes, I'd have to agree with you.
I had posted these verses in another post.
Thanks for listing the actual verses.

I do believe Mary was born without the sin nature.
I also believe it's interesting that her body has never been found.
But that's another story....
 

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It is the teachings of Christ and the Apostles, which include St Paul that I follow. As I said before I do not follow a particular denomination but the Church as described in Acts. I don't need to be clever or know Hebrew or Greek or have a degree Just a heart open to the love of God through Jesus the Son who was revealed to me in my state of blindness by the Holy Spirit who brought me out of darkness into light. This is a fact that all born again true Christians recognise.

And I'm sorry but I've had enough of this now. There are none so blind as those who will not see.

born again / that means baptism right

I agree you should leave the difficult thinking business of apologetics to the men!
 

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Do you think God prepared Mary for her role...
or do you think He picked the best woman around at that time?

I think God prepared her for this most important role.

(I'm not reformed, but in some cases I do believe God prepared persons for special missions, as do most Christians).
I believe God has had his hand on me all my life to get me where he wanted me so I believe that it was the same with Mary that he had chosen her well before she had been born. And although I believe she was a pure, obedient and innocent child she had the same human nature as we all do. Jesus was the only person born without sin.
 

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born again / that means baptism right

I agree you should leave the difficult thinking business of apologetics to the men!
Theefaith...
Do you know your Catholic Doctrine?

Being baptized does not mean being born again as is understood by Protestants and as is understood
in John 3 and as is understood by the very CC that you seem to want to represent.

Please ask someone...
Just because an infant is baptized does NOT mean he is born again...
does not mean he is saved/going to heaven.

Do you agree?
 

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Why does Christ change Peter’s name, God changing a persons name like Abram to Abraham or Jacob to Israel always signifies a mission or ministry!

~ “theefaith....always signifies a mission or ministry!

No it doesn’t. What was “Sarah’s” mission? ministry?


Why does Christ give him the keys of jurisdictional authority that the prime minister holds under the king to administer the kingdom? Isa 22:21-22

Jurisdictional authority, prime minister, administer the kingdom....? :rolleyes:

Far out! LOL

Preachers/Teachers with the Word of God IN their mouth and Power of God IN
Them have the authority to Fasten (BIND) the faithful with them and Release (LOOSEN) the unfaithful from being with them.
 
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I believe God has had his hand on me all my life to get me where he wanted me so I believe that it was the same with Mary that he had chosen her well before she had been born. And although I believe she was a pure, obedient and innocent child she had the same human nature as we all do. Jesus was the only person born without sin.
And this will be the end of this conversation.

Let me just say that God did not have His hand on you or me the way He did with Mary.
But I think we agree that He did prepare her for her role.
See ya around.
:)
 

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Theefaith...
Do you know your Catholic Doctrine?

Being baptized does not mean being born again as is understood by Protestants and as is understood
in John 3 and as is understood by the very CC that you seem to want to represent.

Please ask someone...
Just because an infant is baptized does NOT mean he is born again...
does not mean he is saved/going to heaven.

Do you agree?
I agree and have tried explaining that many times but to no avail. We can only pray for those who are deceived in this way that they will see the truth.
 
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What do you think the sin nature is?
How were we originally in the Garden?

I really don't believe Mary was born with the sin nature.
And I'm not Catholic.
As far as scripture:
I'll go with Luke 1.
And I'm studying up on the ECFs a bit too.
But I tire of it...

How can they be so ignorant of the exalted divinity of the mother of God?
Or of the immaculate queen of heaven?

just an ordinary girl?

really?

that’s like saying the ark of the covenant is just a box!

or the holy of Holies is just a hall?
 

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Which verse says that Mary was without sin. And sin is not the same as evil. Sin is a human trait, evil is of the devil.

Luke 1:28
Wycliffe (Protestant) Bible


28 And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed bethou among women.
 

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Theefaith...
Do you know your Catholic Doctrine?

Being baptized does not mean being born again as is understood by Protestants and as is understood
in John 3 and as is understood by the very CC that you seem to want to represent.

Please ask someone...
Just because an infant is baptized does NOT mean he is born again...
does not mean he is saved/going to heaven.

Do you agree?

No! No! No!

Context of Jn 3:5 “born again”

John1:26 John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not; (John prepared the way by baptism)

John 2:6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece. (Old covenant prefiguring of baptism, purification from sin)(His disciples believed because the ever Virgin mother of God interceded Jn 2:11)

John3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. (Baptism)

John 3:22 After these things came Jesus and his disciples into the land of Judaea; and there he tarried with them, and baptized. 23 And John also was baptizing in Aenon near to Salim, because there was much water there: and they came, and were baptized.(Baptism / water)

John 4:1 When therefore the Lord knew how the Pharisees had heard that Jesus made and baptized more disciples than John.

Born again means Baptismal regeneration!
also Titus 3:5
 

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God breathed life into Adam, gen 2:7 and we received this life from our fathers!

Christ breathed on the apostles our spiritual fathers, we receive the new covenant life of God’s grace from them thru faith & baptism! Jn 20:21-23 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38


Christian ritual of baptism:
Immersion, sprinkling, pour pure water over the forehead three time with the words, I baptize thee in the name of the father, and of the son, and of the Holy Spirit! Ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 Matt 28:19 Acts 2:38-39 Acts 8:36-38 Acts 22:16
1 Pet 3:21

Proper intention: to make a new creature in Christ, to put on Christ, initiation into the new covenant of grace
Matter: pure water
Form: the words

Born again! Born from above!


'The Father has set his seal' on Christ (John 6:27) and also seals us in him (cf. 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:23, 4:30). Because this seal indicates the indelible effect of the anointing with the Holy Spirit in the sacrament of Baptism,

Baptism indeed is the seal of eternal life." 87 The faithful Christian who has "kept the seal" until the end, remaining faithful to the demands of his Baptism, will be able to depart this life "marked with the sign of faith," 88 with his baptismal faith, in expectation of the blessed vision of God - the consummation of faith - and in the hope of resurrection.

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised Holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 sealed by God (ez 36:25-27) in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark of Noah none were saved, outside the church (the ark of salvation) none are saved!)

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by baptism!
 

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Why does Christ change Peter’s name, God changing a persons name like Abram to Abraham or Jacob to Israel always signifies a mission or ministry!

And Peter did have a ministry - at least after in process, he actually came to Relate to the Lord in REALITY instead of just Hot AIR (as Jesus proved to him at the crucifixion). His epistles reveal a quite different Peter, that we see in the Gospels. But it was PAUL. and not Peter who was the apostle to the Gentiles. ANd it was PAUL who evangelized the Romans, not Peter. There's no real evidence that Peter ever was in Rome, and we both know it.

Why does Christ give him the keys of jurisdictional authority that the prime minister holds under the king to administer the kingdom? Isa 22:21-22

You've GOT TO BE JOKING!!! your Isa 22 cite is a direct reference to "my servant" - JESUS!!!!!

How do you govern the church and administer the kingdom with a confession?

LEARN TO READ!!!! it wasn't the "Confession" it was the SOURCE OF THE CONFESSION!!! - The Holy Spirit on whom the Church is founded.

And if the Roman Catholic Church Corp. has the ability to Bind and Loose - Why doesn't it do something about it's phony LEADERSHIP NOW????
 

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Sacraments instituted by Christ for the salvation of souls!

It’s not a do it yourself religion!
It’s not a bible study!

It’s a covenant!

Not by “faith alone”
“Faith alone” not biblical
You may think “Accept Jesus Christ as you personal Lord and savior” is biblical but there is no such verse in your bible!

Faith and the sacraments in the church founded by the authority Christ on Peter and the apostles is biblical!

Faith and baptism is the biblical initiation into the new covenant and member is Christ and His holy church!
Ez 36:25-27 Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

You cannot enter a covenant by “faith alone” must be a ritual outward sign!
Faith and baptism! Mk 16:16 acts 8:36-38

Merits of christ’s passion, death, and precious blood are applied in the sacraments! Jn 1:16

Colossians 1:20
And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Matt 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

Acts 22:16
And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Rom 3:24
Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

1 pet 1:2 Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.

Heb 10:22
Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water.

Acts 2:47
Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

Lk 1: 72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

There is only one true church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles and their successors is the new covenant body of Christ! Matt 1:18 & Jn 10:16 one fold

1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

Christ and His church are one: acts 9 why persecute me?

Eph 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


Sacraments are the fruit of the sacrifice!
The holy sacrifice of Christ, His passion, blood, and death producing unlimited fruits of divine grace, actual and sanctifying grace! Jn 1:29 Jn 1:16-17 Jn 10:10


“This promise” (sacred oath of God or sacrament) of the Father acts 2:38-39 with reference to ez 36:25-27 Also a mystery Mk 4:11 Eph 5:32 eph 6:19 1 Tim 3:9 3:16 Col 1:27 2:2 4:3

Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

Jn 3:5 born again by water and the spirit.

Heb 7:21 For those priests were made without an oath; but this with an oath by him that said unto him, The Lord sware and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec
(Oath = sacrament)

Hebrews 8:6
But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises. Based on Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:


A promise is a sacred oath or sacrament!
Baptismal regeneration is the promise of the Father for union in the new covenant!

The church and the seven sacraments are necessary for salvation

Better covenant on better promises

2 Timothy 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, according to the promise of life which is in Christ Jesus,

Life of supernatural grace merited by Christ in His passion and death!

An oath to sacramental life in the new covenant in union with the mediator and communion with God, and the saints!

Promise of the Father acts 2:23-39
Promise is an oath and an oath is a sacrament! This promise of the sacrament of baptism refers to ez. 36:25-27

1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.


1 Pet 3:20
Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark all died and outside the church there is no salvation!)

St. Paul tells the faithful at Ephesus that they have been “sealed with the promised holy Spirit.” This is in terms of an indelible character imprinted on the soul in the sacraments of baptism and confirmation. It is not as if this invisible mark is simply decorative. Rather, through it, we are enabled to participate in Christ’s mission and in his offices of priest, prophet, and king. Eph 1:13

Sealed by God eph 1:13 in the ark of salvation by baptism just as Noah was sealed by God in the ark of the flood gen 7:16

Sealed in the ark, sealed in the church the ark of salvation by baptism!

Jn 1:5-5 abide in Him, apart from Him you can do nothing.

Jn 10:10 life, (grace more abundantly)
Jn 1: 16 And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.

Jn 1:16-17 For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
(Thru faith and the sacraments!)
Mk 16:16 faith and baptism (sacrament)
 

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Hey Bob,
It seems like you know some church history...this from your knowledge of the first Popes.
(in a different post)
So how could you hate a church so much?
What did they do to you??
Every church has teachings that are not correct...
 

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Hey Bob,
It seems like you know some church history...this from your knowledge of the first Popes.
(in a different post)
So how could you hate a church so much?

I hate the fact that Roman Catholicism AS A THEOLOGICAL SYSTEM preaches a FALSE DOCTRINAL SYSTEM that leads their victims totally astray, and AWAY from the simplicity of the Gospel, substituting instead a system of "Salvation by WORKS" in violation of the Biblical teaching that Luther (and others) pointed out under the anointing of God that SALVATION IS BY FAITH in the SIN OFFERING of Jesus on the cross - PLUS NOTHING.

Good works will inevitably be the RESULT of having been Born Again of the Holy Spirit BY FAITH (gifted by God).

The ROman Catholic Church is not and NEVER WAS "the one true church", and is, in fact "Just another" collection of warring internal denominations among thousands in the Visible church systems, and which doean't even appear to have a Christian as it's leader.

Not to speak of the boat loads of phony doctrines, titles, unbiblical religious practices, and Horrendously bloody history. AT LEAST the ROman Catholics don't murder everybody who gets in their way anymore - I guess that's progress.