The faithful and the saints: Bringing Calvinism and Arminianism together.

[Lambano]

There is no bringing the two together. I think people have managed to confuse Calvinism. They seem to think that its a man made system of beliefs. Calvinism is 100% Biblical. If Paul came back to life today, he would say he is a calvinist. Why?? Because he already did. John calvin took what paul wrote and gave it a classification. John calvin didnt create any of the beliefs, he just neatly bundled what the Bible says into a more defined and modern description. With God, there is only 1 path to salvation. The same with theology. Its not open to interpretation. The Bible says what it means, and means what it says, despite any part you disagree with. And that is why there are so many denominations and beliefs… because someone didnt like something the Bible said.

And the Remonstrants pointed out where the Bible did not agree with the system. The debate continues 411 years later.

My brother, have you come to see Jesus as your savior since we last talked? Or are you here to defend a theological system that condemns you as unsaveable because of a decree made before the foundation of the world?

If you have found that Jesus really is your savior, I rejoice before God.

 

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A holy man needs to have his mind renewed to agree with God?

Who is a holy man?

Much love!

 

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A holy man needs to have his mind renewed to agree with God?

We are to put off the old man and put on the new man.

What does that mean?

Much love!

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

And the Remonstrants pointed out where the Bible did not agree with the system. The debate continues 411 years later.

My brother, have you come to see Jesus as your savior since we last talked? Or are you here to defend a theological system that condemns you as unsaveable because of a decree made before the foundation of the world?

If you have found that Jesus really is your savior, I rejoice before God.

i will always be a calvinist believer, but here recently i have come to see even moreso that i am not saved as of yet.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I don't think you really understand justification by grace through faith. The man who confessed that he was a sinner asked for mercy. Therefore he was justified. Not because he was honest (which of course was true). And when a person is justified by God, God imputes the righteousness of Christ to him. Which means that in God's eyes the believer is deemed righteous at that point. But that also means that the believer must do righteously and think righteously from that point onwards. And that is why the new birth accompanies justification.

I think it’s you who doesn’t understand saved by the kindness of God through trust, but that’s that, I guess.

While I do agree God sees it as good that men ask Him to have mercy on them, I think it’s the honesty of the man that God approved of and so the man walked away approved, having done the right thing, justified. God desires truth in the inward parts.

The rest of your post I don’t even understand

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Check the grammar.

Much love!

Im pretty good at English grammar. Punctuation, not so much.

 

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Im pretty good at English grammar. Punctuation, not so much.

It's in the Greek grammar. Pronouns must always agree in gender with their antecedants. Saved is neuter gender, faith is feminine, and grace is feminine. "And that not of ourselves", that is neuter, so it can encompass both saved and faith and grace, or saved alone, but not faith and/or grace by themselves, that would require a feminine pronoun.

Much love!

 

[Enoch111]

The rest of your post I don’t even understand

And therein lies the problem. So take some time to study the epistle to the Romans in depth.

 

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2 Corinthians 5:17-18 KJV
17) Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
18) And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation;

Ephesians 4:22-24 KJV
22) That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
23) And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
24) And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Ephesians 2:4-6 KJV
4) But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,
5) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
6) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

Romans 6:6-12 KJV
6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7) For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8) Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9) Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10) For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11) Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12) Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I've seen where this idea of a caste-Christianity leads men into arrogance, thinking they are better than others.

Much love!

Yes, I’ve seen that too. Their very arrogance gives them away and they can get vicious and ugly, but they still insist their flesh/ passions don’t rule them.

And I’ve seen also where the thought that a mans trust comes from within himself leads him into the arrogance of thinking a blind man has chosen to be blind and that he himself was saved because he made a good choice. I guess he thinks he himself was the sower who sowed the seed…?

 

[Lambano]

i will always be a calvinist believer, but here recently i have come to see even moreso that i am not saved as of yet.

As of yet. I would hope to persuade you to trust Jesus to save you, regardless of whether your life shows the fruit of rebirth at this time. You should be a believer (one who trusts) in Jesus, not in a theological system.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

And therein lies the problem. So take some time to study the epistle to the Romans in depth.

That’s right handy…if a man doesn’t understand what I wrote, the static is, of course, on his end of the line.
I’ll remember that one!

 

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That’s right handy…if a man doesn’t understand what I wrote, the static is, of course, on his end of the line.
I’ll remember that one!

For what it's worth, I see exactly the same thing.

I posted 4 passages in post 269, can you explain them to me?

Much love!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

May I?

“Faith”, πιστις, is a feminine noun. “This, τούτο, is neuter. “Faith” cannot be the referent for “This” due to the gender mismatch, so the gift is the entire preceding clause, salvation by grace through faith.

Let’s try it this way…a man who is born blind and deaf cannot see or hear, no matter how badly he may want to. Someone has to heal his blindness or he will never see. I was one of those men born blind and deaf. I could not see that God even existed. Then He healed my blindness and I could suddenly see He did exist. Once I saw, I began to trust Him and the things I read that He said. I will not take credit of myself that I trust Him, no matter what gender trust is in, because if I hadn’t seen, I would never have trusted. My trust was not of myself, it was the result of being able to suddenly see.
Maybe it will work that way?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

For what it's worth, I see exactly the same thing.

lol. Of course you do! I can’t understand the doctrine another man taught you. I think it’s a good thing.

 

[Lifelong_sinner]

As of yet. I would hope to persuade you to trust Jesus to save you, regardless of whether your life shows the fruit of rebirth at this time. You should be a believer (one who trusts) in Jesus, not in a theological system.

i have no expectation as no fruit is itself a sign. Our default home after death is hell. God will only save a few, and i just dont see that going well for me. Why would it? Belief and faith are two different things.

 

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I can’t understand the doctrine another man taught you.

What is that?

 

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I think it’s a good thing.

It's not.

Justification of the sinner is a primary doctrine of New Testament Christianity.

Much love!

 

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Once I saw, I began to trust

Sight and faith are different. Someone can see the truth about God, but not trust Him.

Much love!

 

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@stunnedbygrace

I posted 4 passages in post 269, can you explain them to me?

Much love!