The nominal Christians.
The Jews, who after Jesus crucifixion cursed themselves and all generations after saying, let his blood be on our heads and those of our children .
So the Jews are the people from every tribe tongue and nation?
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The nominal Christians.
The Jews, who after Jesus crucifixion cursed themselves and all generations after saying, let his blood be on our heads and those of our children .
Genesis 12 covenant.So the Jews are the people from every tribe tongue and nation?
KJV Revelation 14:6-12You won't find any such thing in Revelation. After the first three chapters (addressed to specific churches, not the Church) there is no mention of "the Church" (nor "churches"). Why? Because the Church is already in Heaven at that time, and the prophecies are about the divine judgments ON EARTH. That is the bulk of Revelation.
Except that neither "church" nor "churches is found from Revelation 4 to 21. Search all you want to, you will not find "the Church" or "churches" mentioned until Rev 22 closes the book. Which means they are ABSENT when the 6th and 7th seal judgments are operational.
Assumption 1 - Revelation 12:17 is not referring to new converts. It is the half of the Christian people who did agree to a treaty with the Anti-Christ. Daniel 9:27, Daniel 11:32 Also seen in Zechariah 14:2
The half who kept their faith and trust in the Lord, are taken to a place of safety on earth, Revelation 12:6 & 14
Assumption 2 - We are not told who the two Witnesses will be. I believe they will be two godly men, who are probably alive on earth, now. It is doubtful whether they convert anyone. They surely upset them! And get killed for it.
Assumption 3 - The Church in heaven? Where does the Bible say that? What we ARE told is: we must endure until the end, until Jesus comes. Then we will be with Him; in Jerusalem.
The book of Revelation is as it says: "The revelation of Jesus Christ." It is an account of his story in the heavens and upon the earth "Beginning to End." These things written of were and are all made manifest in the world--not as many would believe, but rather as history has attested, such as in the coming of Christ. Men would have believed that he would have come conquering with armies...and he did, just not as they would have imagined.Just read a thread about war in heaven via Rev 12:7. Though I read revelations 3x, I confess I cannot keep it in my head. I even read a book by a Rabbi who did an excellent analysis of connecting the many figurative passages.
The 1st time I read Revelations, I thought John must have been smoking something strong when he wrote it.
In the thread referenced above, several poster got into the phases of tribulation and that is not made clear to me from the text. Like Nostradamus predictions, passages are written so figuratively, they can be taken to mean nearly anything.
So, can anyone explain this book at a 4th grade level in just a short paragraph or two?
The book of Revelation is as it says: "The revelation of Jesus Christ."
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Specifics then, have their own explanation.
not as many would believe, but rather as history has attested, such as in the coming of Christ. Men would have believed that he would have come conquering with armies...and he did, just not as they would have imagined.
The book of Revelation is as it says: "The revelation of Jesus Christ." It is an account of his story in the heavens and upon the earth "Beginning to End." These things written of were and are all made manifest in the world--not as many would believe, but rather as history has attested, such as in the coming of Christ. Men would have believed that he would have come conquering with armies...and he did, just not as they would have imagined.
Each chapter can be explained, but some have no reference to the things of this world, for they are not of this world, but of the kingdom. Their manifestation in the world was and is not so much as a day in the life of one living here in the world, but as it is written or portrayed. The marriage for instance: Has it not been portrayed since the beginning, and also foretold of the end? What worldly event then can be specifically sighted as the fulfillment? Rhetorical. They all can. Likewise, do not look at every passage of the book of Revelation any different, but rather the same.
Specifics then, have their own explanation.
You seem to have a grudge issue with a party to whom I have no affiliation with.Nah, that's what the New World Order folks want Christians to believe, as world socialists are allied with the Preterist type seminaries and churches.
Why would those on the NWO plan want to believe that Christ's Book of Revelation is all history, or mostly history? It is so as to DENY the things that are coming upon God's people at the very end which Lord Jesus and His Apostles warned His faithful Church about. It's because those on that NWO plan think to reign upon this earth over all... nations, instead of Christ.
Thus they wrongly think that Christ's Kingdom has already come on earth today, WITHOUT Jesus. That's the way they like it too, WITHOUT Jesus.
"12" is an allegorical number, most likelySo the Jews are the people from every tribe tongue and nation?
You seem to have a grudge issue with a party to whom I have no affiliation with.
Even so, you error in thinking that the end comes with something more extravagant than the days of Noah. This error comes from not understanding that such great events have always been: God is the same yesterday, today and forever, and there is nothing new under the sun.
You discredit yourself. Your grudge continues. No one but God taught me anything...and I'm not pushing anything.God is Who has the grudge with those who want to deny that today, on this earth, is NOT His Kingdom, not yet without Him being here.
John 18:36
36 Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world: if My kingdom were of this world, then would My servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is My kingdom not from hence."
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The only Kingdom that is already manifest involving Lord Jesus is His spiritual Kingdom through His Church here on earth. His PHYSICAL Kingdom won't happen until He returns to this earth.
Moreover, pushing the lie that Christ's Kingdom has already come here on earth today deceives the gullible into not preparing for the coming "great tribulation" Lord Jesus warned for the very end of this world. That will involve a pseudo-Christ being setup as God in Jerusalem in a rebuilt Jewish temple, just as He and Apostle Paul showed us for the end of this world. And the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem today already have all the materials to build it, even temple artifacts on display for usage in it. And you think that is being done under the Name of Jesus Christ? Absolutely not!
Thus the ideas you are pushing shows gross deception. You might want to get back to the actual written Word of God instead of playing religion with those deceivers that taught you that junk in your post.
You discredit yourself. Your grudge continues. No one but God taught me anything...and I'm not pushing anything.
"The book of Revelation is as it says: "The revelation of Jesus Christ." It is an account of his story in the heavens and upon the earth "Beginning to End." These things written of were and are all made manifest in the world--not as many would believe, but rather as history has attested, such as in the coming of Christ. Men would have believed that he would have come conquering with armies...and he did, just not as they would have imagined."
"Each chapter can be explained, but some have no reference to the things of this world, for they are not of this world, but of the kingdom. Their manifestation in the world was and is not so much as a day in the life of one living here in the world, but as it is written or portrayed. The marriage for instance: Has it not been portrayed since the beginning, and also foretold of the end? What worldly event then can be specifically sighted as the fulfillment? Rhetorical. They all can. Likewise, do not look at every passage of the book of Revelation any different, but rather the same."
Just as those did in the history I referred to, you also have a great misunderstanding of how the things of prophecy are fulfilled. But I don't have time to go into it at the moment, so I'll come back later to address the points you have made.Let's see... you said...
As per written Scripture, Jesus showed that HE is... coming with His armies from Heaven at the end of this world, to do battle on the earth against the WICKED, LITERALLY (Revelation 16 and Revelation 19). And that was NOT... history!
And in John 18:36, He specifically declared that His Kingdom is NOT of this present world, otherwise His servants would fight to prevent His being delivered up to be crucified.
Lord Jesus' 1st coming was meek as a Lamb, to die upon the cross for the remission of sins of those who believe, NOT to support armies like the Christian crusades, which if you'll noticed ALL those old crusades to the Holy Land FAILED! Is He not The GOD? Then why did those Christian crusades to the Holy Land FAIL? Simple, because He showed this present world is NOT HIS KINGDOM.
But Christ's 2nd coming, which is still yet future to us, will be on the 'last day' of this world with an army from Heaven with Jesus wielding a sword that cuts both ways.
When the historical Christian nations started up with The Gospel being preached to them in the west, after Jerusalem rejected Lord Jesus, those Christian nations got on a role WRONGLY thinking that Christ's Kingdom had come on this earth! It didn't. Only His Church through The Holy Spirit was manifested, and the blessings God promised to Israel, while being hidden in those western Christian nations. The REFORMERS even thought the Catholic Pope was the Antichrist prophesied to come, showing they thought the end of the world and Christ's return would then happen in their day! It didn't, just like the holy crusades to Jerusalem didn't work either!
Those ideas of men only show they don't like to follow the times and the seasons that God has put in His Holy Writ. So they think to FORCE the coming of Christ's Kingdom. There are even crazy religious factions today that think to help the radicals today in hopes it will bring Christ's coming sooner. Stupid stuff.
God's Promises in final to His Church involving His Kingdom is about the final gathering of the stick of Joseph and the stick of Judah back to the Holy Lands to the inheritances God originally gave their fathers, with David as their king (Ezekiel 37). That is still YET TO BE FULFILLED TODAY.
You further said:
If you're referring to the marriage supper prophesied WITH Christ Jesus, when He returns, the supper we hold in Church today is ONLY symbolic of the REAL marriage supper WITH JESUS LITERALLY, when He returns! You sound like you like to take the 'literal' prophecies written of in God's Word and TOY with them, turning them into man's philosophy! That will not do.
So no, the marriage supper of Matthew 22 is going to be a literal event when Jesus returns literally back to this earth in our near future. That is what the Revelation 19:1-9 Scripture is specifically about once the Babylon Harlot is destroyed on the day of His return.
And don't look at every passage in Revelation any differently, but rather the same? What kind of garbage advice is that? Not every event written of in Christ's Revelation reveals the same idea. Any child in the 2nd grade that reads it can know that!
No such thing found in scripture, such as a physical kingdom being set up on this earth at the return of Jesus Christ as you suggestThe only Kingdom that is already manifest involving Lord Jesus is His spiritual Kingdom through His Church here on earth. His PHYSICAL Kingdom won't happen until He returns to this earth.
Moreover, pushing the lie that Christ's Kingdom has already come here on earth today deceives the gullible into not preparing for the coming "great tribulation" Lord Jesus warned for the very end of this world. That will involve a pseudo-Christ being setup as God in Jerusalem in a rebuilt Jewish temple, just as He and Apostle Paul showed us for the end of this world. And the orthodox Jews in Jerusalem today already have all the materials to build it, even temple artifacts on display for usage in it. And you think that is being done under the Name of Jesus Christ? Absolutely not!
Thus the ideas you are pushing shows gross deception. You might want to get back to the actual written Word of God instead of playing religion with those deceivers that taught you that junk in your post.