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Post #207 @Wrangler (hate doing this to you - have the utmost respect but you pulled the integrity trigger!)
Do you know what a simile is? (unanswered)
I'm going to assume you do.
Luke who wrote the Gospel of Luke & Acts likes to use similes (“his sweat was like drops of blood,”) He uses them here Luke 3:22; Luke 10:18; Luke 11:44; Luke 22:31 and so on...
What is the comparison being made Wrangler? (unanswered)
So he said to them, I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Lk 10:18.
Who was the adversary in Jesus' view? (unanswered)
Luke 10:18
In Luke using a smile the whole point of the comparison placing emphasis on the "speed of the fall" of the adversary "as" lightning falling from heaven.
The Return of the Seventy-Two
Luke 10:17 The seventy-two returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons (illnesses - they didn't know the names back then!) are subject to us in your name!” 18 And he said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall hurt you. 20 Nevertheless, do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.”
Straight away you can see how Christ relates the fall of this adversary with them having power over the enemy.
The obvious questions is...
Who was their enemy? (unanswered)
Who in the record is called serpents and scorpions? (unanswered)
If you have identified the enemy correctly you will also know how that authority of Christ was used to overcome them.
What was their evil power and how did they exercise it over the people? (unanswered)
Also noted is the implied safety of having their name written in Heaven! (no evil or sin present there)
While you are looking at Luke 10:18 lets discuss your question in more detail.
2 Peter 1:3-4 states
“His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire” (ESV).
This verse presents a number of problems for those who believe in fallen angels.
1. The verse plainly says that believers are made “partakers of the divine nature” through God’s promises,
2. What extent do we partake on God's Nature?
3. Every human being is born with a sin (prone) nature; which is due to its weak substance which has a bent toward pleasing self (Romans 5:12; 7:14)
Our natural selves cannot please God HOWEVER, to imply that our future Divine Selves is incapable of pleasing God brings God's very nature into question. In fact what you are saying is "I believe there to be no benefit at all in taking on God's Divine nature because I will still have the free will to sin!"
Do you believe a divine being is enslaved to the passions and sins of the flesh? (unanswered)
What are they now servants of? God and His Nature or Man and his? (unanswered)
In fact this statement can no longer be believed upon!
“No one who is born of God (fulfilled completely when Divine nature is achieved) will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.”
When we share in His divine nature, we must desire the things God desires.
In fact when divine nature is granted we will love what He loves and hate what He hates without the pull of the flesh! Galatians 5:22; 1 John 4:4
In a truth its impossible to reconcile angels sinning because they bare His Name; they behold His Face and they are Him in nature and manifestation.
The Conclusion of the whole matter
Sin no longer controls the one who has become a partaker of the divine nature. By giving us His nature, God makes us His sons and daughters and conforms us to the image of His Son (Romans 8:29; 2 Corinthians 6:18).
To believe otherwise is to make God sin.
Eight (8) questions unanswered
F2F
Do you know what a simile is? (unanswered)
I'm going to assume you do.
Luke who wrote the Gospel of Luke & Acts likes to use similes (“his sweat was like drops of blood,”) He uses them here Luke 3:22; Luke 10:18; Luke 11:44; Luke 22:31 and so on...
What is the comparison being made Wrangler? (unanswered)
So he said to them, I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. Lk 10:18.
Who was the adversary in Jesus' view? (unanswered)
Luke 10:18
In Luke using a smile the whole point of the comparison placing emphasis on the "speed of the fall" of the adversary "as" lightning falling from heaven.
The Return of the Seventy-Two
Luke 10:17 The seventy-two returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons (illnesses - they didn't know the names back then!) are subject to us in your name!” 18 And he said to them, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall hurt you. 20 Nevertheless, do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.”
Straight away you can see how Christ relates the fall of this adversary with them having power over the enemy.
The obvious questions is...
Who was their enemy? (unanswered)
Who in the record is called serpents and scorpions? (unanswered)
If you have identified the enemy correctly you will also know how that authority of Christ was used to overcome them.
What was their evil power and how did they exercise it over the people? (unanswered)
Also noted is the implied safety of having their name written in Heaven! (no evil or sin present there)
While you are looking at Luke 10:18 lets discuss your question in more detail.
2 Peter 1:3-4 states
“His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire” (ESV).
This verse presents a number of problems for those who believe in fallen angels.
1. The verse plainly says that believers are made “partakers of the divine nature” through God’s promises,
2. What extent do we partake on God's Nature?
3. Every human being is born with a sin (prone) nature; which is due to its weak substance which has a bent toward pleasing self (Romans 5:12; 7:14)
Our natural selves cannot please God HOWEVER, to imply that our future Divine Selves is incapable of pleasing God brings God's very nature into question. In fact what you are saying is "I believe there to be no benefit at all in taking on God's Divine nature because I will still have the free will to sin!"
Do you believe a divine being is enslaved to the passions and sins of the flesh? (unanswered)
What are they now servants of? God and His Nature or Man and his? (unanswered)
In fact this statement can no longer be believed upon!
“No one who is born of God (fulfilled completely when Divine nature is achieved) will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.”
When we share in His divine nature, we must desire the things God desires.
In fact when divine nature is granted we will love what He loves and hate what He hates without the pull of the flesh! Galatians 5:22; 1 John 4:4
In a truth its impossible to reconcile angels sinning because they bare His Name; they behold His Face and they are Him in nature and manifestation.
The Conclusion of the whole matter
Sin no longer controls the one who has become a partaker of the divine nature. By giving us His nature, God makes us His sons and daughters and conforms us to the image of His Son (Romans 8:29; 2 Corinthians 6:18).
To believe otherwise is to make God sin.
Eight (8) questions unanswered
F2F
